Slog - Comments on McGavick: To Remember or Not to Remember? http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde It's a week-and-a-half later and Mike McGavick is still having to talk about this DUI thing. He had to answer questions about it again yesterday on the Dori Monson show on KIRO radio—where he got bogged down discussing drunk driving laws in Europe. (Wow, you know your campaign for U.S. Senate is tanking when you're on the air talking about drunk driving laws in Europe...) And he had to talk about it some more on KIRO 7 Eyewitness News with Essex Porter. The big problem is: He still can't get his mea culpa straight. First he says he doesn't remember... Copyright 2007 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:25:03 -0800 Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:26:52 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by el ganador Wow. Mike! just can't stop fumbling around on this one. I think he's abundantly proved that he's got a tin ear when it comes to stuff like this - he has no clue how bad his answers sound. And am I crazy, or is there just more and more shit every time he turns around? I'm convinced that next week I'll be reading about how his man-boy relationship with his illegal housekeepers underage son is "appropriate". What else does Mike! have hiding in his closet?

]]> el ganador http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458273 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458273 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:46:44 -0800 Comment by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me Sounds like the standard Kennedy defense.

Which Kennedy? Any one elected to Federal Gov. You choose...

(Pity no one was left to drown... then you'd really have something!)

]]> You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458277 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458277 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:55:17 -0800 Comment by kerri harrop god, i wish mcgavick would have just crashed into a wall and rendered himself speechless so we wouldn't have to hear about it anymore.

plus, he would definitely lose the election if he couldn't speak. a win all around.

]]> kerri harrop http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458279 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458279 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:59:19 -0800 Comment by seattle98104 maybe he can have a new ad on TV where McCain tells us what really happens...

]]> seattle98104 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458285 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458285 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:05:40 -0800 Comment by DOUG. If Drunken Mike supported European-style funding of mass transportation that actually allows people to get blotto and make it home safely, then perhaps I'd listen to what he has to say.

Otherwise he's just another liquored-up, aging frat boy Republican.

]]> DOUG. http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458291 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458291 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:08:14 -0800 Comment by gnossos have I just missed it or has no one noted the irony of an (ex) insurance company exec discussing a DUI?

What does Safeco do about one of its customers who clocks in at .17?

How does current Safeco management feel about its former head saying he still might have a few before he gets behind the wheel?

]]> gnossos http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458308 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458308 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:22:11 -0800 Comment by el ganador Oh, Gnossos. OMG. Holy shit, man, someone *has* to ask him that question. "Are you currently covered by Safeco Insurance?" then "Does Safeco normally cover people who have DUI arrests on their record?" then "If not, why are you getting special treatment?"

]]> el ganador http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458356 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458356 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:59:26 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle If Alaskan Mike McGavick had done drunk driving in Norway, his fine would have been based on his stock ownership and income and would have been a few million dollars PLUS a year in jail.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458384 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458384 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:39:01 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle oh, and his Safeco insurance would have been voided too.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458387 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458387 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:39:48 -0800 Comment by So what? Some people enjoy being upset about politicians. I could care less. If it makes you feel morally superior to be upset about politicians you're a dumbass who needs to get laid.

]]> So what? http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458400 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458400 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:54:44 -0800 Comment by Fnarf So, Mike, say hello to Vern Fonk.

He still drinks and drives, and he admits it. That's amazing.

I wonder what method he uses to make sure he's not over his internal limit? Does he count his drinks? Carry a BAM? Just rely on "hey, I don't feel that drunk"? And he, as an insurance executive, doesn't think a .05 is dangerous? Wow. I was wrong. This IS a story.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458413 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458413 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:04:51 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle There's a reason Alaskan Mike is on Hardball Deathwatch. And it's not just the lying, it's the repeated lying.

That plus the inability to get traction and bringing Karl Rove in due to fundraising desperation.

If it walks like a red commie Bushie, and it slimes like a red commie Bushie, and it takes graft like a red commie Bushie, it doesn't matter what it talks like - it's a red commie Bushie.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458446 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458446 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:30:58 -0800 Comment by You_GottaBe_Kidding_Me You want to talk about a real drunk driving scandal lets review the facts around one belonging to a sitting Senator…

7/18/69 Ted Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick, Martha's Vineyard. All but one of the male guests were married and attending without their wives, and all of the female guests were single. Kennedy drove off of Dyke Bridge into Poucha Pond with party guest Mary Jo Kopechne. The car came to rest upside down underwater.

Kennedy swam free of the vehicle without Kopechne, rested on the bank and then returned to the party on foot.
Later Kennedy and others returned to the pond. Although there was a telephone, nobody called for help.

When efforts to rescue Kopechne failed, Kennedy decided to make a break for his hotel, but the Edgartown-Chappaquiddick ferry (which is what connects Chappaquiddick to the rest of the island) had shut down for the night so he swam across the channel, back to Edgartown.

Kennedy discussed the accident with several people, including his lawyer before he contacted the police more than 10 hours after the accident.

When police recovered Kennedy's car the observations of those present coupled with the position that the diver found her body indicated that Kopechne may not have drown, but suffocated in an air pocket within the car. No autopsy was performed and the precise cause of death is unknown.

Kennedy was criticized for allegedly driving drunk, for failing to save Kopechne, for failing to summon help immediately, and for contacting not the police but rather his lawyer first.

Kennedy entered a plea of guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury. He received a sentence of two months in jail, which was suspended. The sentence was notable in that the statute for the crime provided only for mandatory jail time and not the discretion of a suspended sentence.

Now that’s how you do it if your a Democrat!

(Summarized from WikiPedia)

]]> You_GottaBe_Kidding_Me http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458500 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458500 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:42:37 -0800 Comment by keshmeshi Kennedy swam across a channel? I guess he must have been in better shape back then.

]]> keshmeshi http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458504 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458504 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:49:35 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle I'll drink to that!

Oh, wait, I'm not a lying unpatriotic Republican and I have to drive home in a few minutes ... never mind ...

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458518 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458518 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:01:16 -0800 Comment by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me I think he was in better shape, scared shitless, and had hopes of convincing people he was never there... but yes, he apparently swam across the channel while the chick suffocated.

Of course alcohol floats, and he is naturally buoyant, so depending upon prevailing winds and tides he may have floated across...

]]> You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458535 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458535 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:21:01 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Because a Democrat did something bad almost forty years ago, that means Republicans have carte blanche to do bad stuff now and get away with it. It's only fair.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458597 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458597 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:14:36 -0800 Comment by you_gotta_be_kidding_me No. But to the extent that they continue to send a man who's drunk driving killed someone back to washington for the last 40 years does somewhat diminish thier credability when casting stones at someone else for the same moral foible (with an arguably less tragic outcome)... Glass houses and all. Personaly, I would like to see Kennedy and McGavick in the private sector.

]]> you_gotta_be_kidding_me http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458636 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458636 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:53:07 -0800 Comment by gnossos I'm not arguing the Mike! should not be elected because of a DUI (folks in glass houses and stones...) -- that's about the least of the reasons to shitcan the dude.

But, I remain fascinated by the intersection of being an insurance company exec and having had a DUI and continuing to drink and drive. For me it raises a shitload of questions...the answers to which might prove a tipping point for some folks.

]]> gnossos http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458715 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458715 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:37:07 -0800 Comment by gnossos oh, and yeah Fnarf, ya just gotta love the way whenever a Republican gets caught in a jam, somehow Clinton gets caught brought into the conversation as a defense. Or, for the really long-ago minded, that evil, drunkard who killed that poor, poor girl (said with a vocal quiver and tear in their eye).

]]> gnossos http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458717 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458717 News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:43:32 -0800 Comment by you_gotta_be_kidding_me Yeah Gnossos, I totaly agree. Bitch had it comming to her... (Thats what you get for whoring around with a married man)

]]> you_gotta_be_kidding_me http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458872 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/mcgavick_its_in_inde#c458872 News Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:26:52 -0800