http://www.duggarfamily.com/

I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying.

WHY? WHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHY?!?!?!

Legitimate Conservative policy, that which would be supportable by Goldwater, arguably the founder of the modern Conservative movement, knows the Christianist for what it is. Andrew Sullivan recently wrote the following on that topic, and I think it’s right on the mark… “From the 1970s, Goldwater recognized Falwell and the religious right for what they are: charlatans who have as much concern for traditional conservatism as big government liberals do. What Goldwater would have said about the Schiavo case would not be broadcastable on network television. He also adhered to the old conservative notion of live-and-let-live. He never had a problem with gays, and although he clearly found abortion an awful thing, he wasn't about to remove a female citizen's right in the early stages of pregnancy to control her own body. He was, in other words, a conservative. Or as his great book put it: a conservative with a conscience. The irony of Goldwater's career is that this decision, made on a principled stance of federalism and limited government, became something else on the ground. It shifted the Republican Party base away from California and the sun-belt into the Deep South. Goldwater was a Western conservative, not a Southern one. And whichever party the South controls will have a hard time reflecting the kind of skeptical, libertarian, tolerant principles Goldwater believed in. So he both created American conservatism and laid the grounds for its eventual implosion.” This is the best description I have yet found of the Conservative principals I was raised with and adhere to today. Liberals need to give some careful thought before they help the Christianists destroy what remains of the Conservative movement. Who do they prefer, a Goldwater Conservative, or a Bush Christianist?

Liberals do themselves a disservice by perpetuating the myth of the Christianist as the prototype Conservative, as do Conservatives by allowing Christianists to perpetuate that same myth. Arguably the point of agreement Conservatives and Liberals must find their way to as quickly as possible is that the Christianist is their common enemy, and that they must combine force to defend against it, and that the best way to do that is to force them out into the open, and not allow them to masquerade as Conservatives. It may be principled for Conservatives and Liberals to disagree on many points, but it is suicide to both if they fail to violently agree to defend against their common enemy. Even now it may be impossible to stop the Christianists, because of their breeding programs. How many of these 13 children will have 13 children, each with 13 children of their own? (Do the math. It should scare you silly. This is the face of the coming American Taliban.)

Sometimes it makes sense to form a coalition with your enemy to face off an overwhelming threat…

Everyone here who has fallen away from the religious beliefs in which they were reared, please raise your hand.

*one lapsed Catholic, childfree, and youngest of 13, raises her hand*

Vagina- I wish I could share your optimism, but religious indoctrination is powerful and consuming… Look to the Islamo Fascist and the rate they replicate at.

btw, I was the one in the family slated to be a priest. Didn't happen. My siblings are only kind of Catholic. None of my cousins are Catholic anymore, although some of them became Southern Baptists to please their husbands (morons)

They have the White House and both houses of Congress and most of the Supreme Court... define successful for me again...

Those people's REAL religion is the almighty dollar. They just string the Xtian freaks along cuz they're good for votes. That's why you will NEVER see abortion outlawed. That's killing the golden goose.

There are fourteen kids there. The tall one at the back behind the [Dad?] is probably the oldest.

It actually wasn't bad, once I added some SEASONING and VEGETABLES to it.

Cheap and cheerful - perfect for a potluck.

But 16 kids? I just don't get it. What's the point? I can see if they had a few kids and adopted the rest to give them a home, but why would they feel the need to have that many? It has something to do with a miscarriage supposedly caused by birth control pills, but that's a bit much.

Also, I noticed on their website that they have a link to some sort of Xtian financial properity thing, which sets off all sorts of bullshit alarms.

We grew up in the Minneapolis area and spent two years of our childhood in the Philippines where are parents were working as missionaries. We were home educated all our schooling years and each of our siblings and us plays a stringed instrument. Currently our family lives in South Korea, assisting young families who are just beginning home education.

About six years ago, some friends introduced us to this whole concept of health eating.

Yes, that's a direct quote -- cut 'n paste. Hooray for home schooling.

Then again, I have really lowbrow taste in food, so I'd probably really like Tater Tot Casserole.

Every foodie reading this is now permitted to faint dead away.