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<description>As we predicted two days ago, the state&apos;s new numbers for replacing the Alaskan Way Viaduct with either a cut-and-cover tunnel or a new aerial rebuild are significantly higher than the original estimates. The new estimates put the cost of a &quot;core tunnel&quot; (that is, a tunnel that does not include fixing the northern seawall, lowering Aurora, or any other improvements north of the Battery Street Tunnel) at a range of $3.56 to $5.54 billion—an increase between 18 and 54 percent over the previous range of $3.0 to $3.6 billion. Put another way, the high estimate on the tunnel has...</description>
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<title>Comment by Chad Maglaque</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to the Stranger for applying some proper fiscal scrutiny to major public works projects.</p>

<p>The Mayor's line of talk on the Viaduct seems strikingly reminiscient of the now defunct SMP.</p>]]></description>
<author>Chad Maglaque</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466666</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466666</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:04:08 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Some Jerk</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that. I hope the hard nosed realists who were so instrumental in killing the monorail line up behind the only affordable replacement option: surface boulevard.</p>]]></description>
<author>Some Jerk</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466671</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466671</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:08:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by neo-realist</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>"I hope the hard nosed realists who were so instrumental in killing the monorail line up behind the only affordable replacement option: surface boulevard."</p>

<p>With a new proposal for a right of way subway or "monorail" to immenently follow.</p>]]></description>
<author>neo-realist</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466676</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466676</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:15:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. X</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>What a knob.  Pick a preferred alternative that is manifestly unaffordable and unfunded and move forward?  Same as ever - Nickels wants to start digging before he has cash in hand in order to commit the public to the entire cost of this project (which is gonna get a lot higher before they even break ground, I'll fearlessly predict).</p>

<p>BTW - the City and State still plan to do the entire project north of Battery Street for either the proposed tunnel or elevated replacement (look at the video images WSDOT put out last week - it's depicted in both of them) - they're just trying to lowball the initial cost by using the "core project" figure because they know they couldn't justify the extra $500+ million even with the lower original cost estimates.  </p>

<p>Millions of dollars that could have actually accomplished something have instead been pissed away to keep tunnel studies alive.  Judging by this press conference, our Mayor clearly hasn't learned a thing from this misbegotten process....</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. X</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466677</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466677</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:15:47 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Nickels is pissed that he's not going to get his brass plaque with his name on it in big letters on the entrance to this thing. And he's not going to get to run for governor if this plays out the way it looks to be playing out.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466688</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466688</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:26:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by cressona</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Chad Maglaque: <i>The Mayor's line of talk on the Viaduct seems strikingly reminiscient of the now defunct SMP.</i>
<p>Yes, the major conclusion that we should take away from today's news events is -- drum roll, please -- monorail supporter vindication!
<p>Chad, I'm with you on Nickels' gross hypocrisy concerning the monorail. But the future of this city's downtown waterfront is at stake now, and I kinda think that topic is important enough that we could stay on topic.</p></p></p>]]></description>
<author>cressona</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466690</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466690</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:31:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Biff</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Superb reporting, Erica--light years better than the dailies.</p>]]></description>
<author>Biff</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466700</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466700</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:41:23 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Jensen Interceptor</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>CRESSONA Wrote: <br />
"But the future of this city's downtown waterfront is at stake <br />
now..."</p>

<p>Future?? What is the future of the waterfront?  </p>

<p>--Jensen </p>]]></description>
<author>Jensen Interceptor</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466746</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466746</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:58:04 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by herethere</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p><br />
Governor Nickels? Please don't scare me like that...</p>

<p><br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>herethere</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466749</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466749</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:05:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by treacle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Now, perhaps we'll get the "no replacement" option that has served San Francisco so well. (no sarcasm) It will certainly be scads cheaper than the other two.</p>

<p>Or hey!  Let's get Paul "Moneybags" Allen or Bill "I'm a Philanthropist!" Gates to pony up the cash to fix their hometown!<br />
They are rich.  They fucking owe us.</p>

<p>(For the stadium fiasco, if not Windows OS itself...)</p>]]></description>
<author>treacle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466752</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466752</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:14:20 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>You haven't been paying attention. The khaki porn spread in Vanity Fair? The puffy kisses in the New York Times? Greg has big ideas. He's got at most one term in City Hall, then what? High-price consultant, but aside from the millions of bucks what's the fun in that? Who else do you see on the horizon? Ed Murray? He's gay, he can't win statewide, and besides, he's going to rock the senate so hard he may stay for fifty years. Any Seattle councilmembers? With their record? I don't think so. The only one who isn't totally embarrassing is Licata, and he's also unelectable statewide.<br /><br />
Greg's going to run, mark my words. Unless disaster strikes. So far, out of the four identified viaduct options, I see at least six guaranteed disasters.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466754</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466754</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:18:57 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Willis</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Fnarf - </p>

<p>Mark my words: when Gregoire decides she's done being Gov, you'll see a Primary election between Jay Inslee and Aaron Reardon (Sno. Co. Exec).</p>

<p>Nickels couldn't win King County, much less state-wide.  His ambition miiiight be Jim McDermott's seat - and that's a big miiiiiight.</p>]]></description>
<author>Willis</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466757</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466757</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:27:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. X</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>FNARF said "Greg's going to run, mark my words. Unless disaster strikes."</p>

<p>I had the then-head of the Seattle Police Guild tell me (in a bar, as it happens) that they didn't much like Nickels but they were endorsing him anyway because "he hasn't stepped on his dick."</p>

<p>He's probably unelectable statewide - but that won't stop him from trying.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. X</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466760</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466760</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:40:17 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Lloyd Clydesdale</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Greg's a big projects guy.  That's a good fit on the state level.  Imagine his clench, watching all that money pouring into Iraq.  That's a lot of tunnels and choo choos.</p>]]></description>
<author>Lloyd Clydesdale</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466766</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466766</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:52:32 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by David Sucher</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I can't understand why McGavick hasn't brought the emerging Viaduct fiasco into the Senate race ...<br />
as in running against Seattle where he can't possibly win anyway...<br />
as in "Ms. Cantwell's party has a Democratic governor, two Senators, half the Congressional delegation, both halves of the State legislature, the Mayor, the City Council, the County Exec etc etc  -- all Democrats. And 5 1/2 years later they still don't even have a plan for the Viaduct. The 'D' in Democrat must stand for Dither into Disaster."</p>

<p>The incompetent manner in which this Viaduct matter is being handled has political implications far beyond Seattle as it makes (with reason) Democrats look like bumblers.</p>]]></description>
<author>David Sucher</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466790</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466790</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:35:05 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Gomez</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Really, the monorail and viaduct fiascos really only make Seattle democrats look like bumblers... which they are.  Too many meetings, not enough progress.  Says it all about Seattle in general, really.</p>]]></description>
<author>Gomez</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466796</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466796</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:57:42 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Metro Driver</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Fnarf @ 11 -</p>

<p>Better stick to tracking down Cyndi Lauper cover vehicles as you're clearly way out of your depth when it comes to commenting on politics.</p>

<p>"who else do you see on the horizon?"  Someone needs to let you know that the Governor is elected statewide and that possible candidates need not necessarily come from within the city limits of Seattle..</p>]]></description>
<author>Metro Driver</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466838</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466838</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 05:31:18 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by tear it down</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Tear that schit down. </p>]]></description>
<author>tear it down</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466841</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466841</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:38:38 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Republicans ride the short bus</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Only a Republican could link the viaduct fiasco to the Democrats, and only a retarded Republican would believe it. </p>

<p>It's ALL about the money kids. And it always has been when it's come to downtown Seattle. A prime swath of view property worth millions of dollars stands in the balance. That's what this is about - not transportation. </p>

<p>If we had Retardlicans in charge it wouldn't be an issue because the town would be Omaha with views, and they probably would have put a refinery on the downtown waterfront.</p>]]></description>
<author>Republicans ride the short bus</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466843</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466843</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:47:06 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by giantladysquirrels</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Jay Inslee for governor? Dreamy!</p>]]></description>
<author>giantladysquirrels</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466854</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466854</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:13:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by phenics</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>This does for me... Nickels wants to hear from the public, as long as he and only he can set dialog and they will tell him what he wants to hear.  Stienbrueck is catering to the interest of the people who own (or he has a partnership in, HE does have something to gain, beyond a mere tunnel) all those oh-so-quaint brick buildings legend says his daddy saved.  The rest of the council have absolutely no, none, zero, drive to tell those two shut the fuck up, vote TODAY and build what will cost the least in the least amount of time.</p>

<p>not one of them will get my vote when the time comes back around.  yeah, I got a long memory and so does a great number of the local electorate.  The state needs, has to, step in now.  Fuck the mayor and the council, that bridge is done being debated... since 2001 it has been going on, and that bullshit needs to stop. now.  peoples lives are being risked everyday the old viaduct stands. They can't all be that stupid that they don't realize that.</p>]]></description>
<author>phenics</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466856</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466856</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:34:21 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Deaar Metro Driver: Brush up on your reading comprehension skills (preferably not while driving your bus). I didn't say Greg was going to win, I said he has ambitions to run. And while it is obviously true that candidates can come from outside of the city limits of Seattle, it is also true that they will almost certainly all come from the three or four county Puget Sound area, because that's where the people are. I'm sure your favorite candidate is a bus driver from East Bumfuck, but it's not going to happen.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466907</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466907</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:12:33 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Metro Driver</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Fnarf -</p>

<p>Did I write anything about driving a bus? Did I write anything about doubting Greg's desire to run?  You're right about someone needing a remedial reading course.  Perhaps if you focused on contributing a few quality comments per day rather than attempting to write something (however misinformed) about everything your comments might occaisionally provide useful or thought-provoking information.</p>

<p>My point (and it is sad that I have to explain this to you) was that your claim that there are no other (or even few) candidates for governor on the horizon is just plain stupid. To limit your suggestions to Seattle-only figures shows your naivete. To even float the idea of one of the current city councilmembers as a candidate is laughable and indisputably displays how little you know about politics.</p>

<p>Again, stick to Cydni Lauper.  With a little self control, you might be able to avoid the "jack of all trades, master of none" syndrome. </p>]]></description>
<author>Metro Driver</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466946</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466946</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:15:04 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>So, who wants to sign my recall petition on the Mayor and City Council if they shove a non-voted underwater tunnel we clearly can't afford (but pay 90 percent of the inevitable cost of) down our throats without a public vote?</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466986</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c466986</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:51:44 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Lloyd Clydesdale</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Talk about Seattle not ever fucking being able to get shit done.  I'll still take Nickels over ma-ma-ma man Paul Schell.</p>

<p>With all the do-nothinging and wah wah that always goes on here, Nickels has paved roads, fixed bridges, re-did the end of I-90, got the port moved and cruise ship terminals in place -- a lot of stuff on his watch.  </p>

<p>You may not like all the above, but they're DONE.  I give him a lot of credit for trying to get things done that have been wahmbulanced around and around forever.  Although I still think he should still hurry the fuck up!</p>]]></description>
<author>Lloyd Clydesdale</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c467283</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/bad_news_for_nickels#c467283</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:36:45 -0800</pubDate>
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