Slog - Comments on Things That Make You Go Hmm... http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you The Washington State Supreme Court is giving the plaintiffs in the gay marriage case a little extra time to contemplate asking the court to reconsider their lame-brained decision. A good sign? Discuss.... Copyright 2007 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:05:26 -0800 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:44:03 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Will in Seattle Either a good sign or they realized if they didn't give sufficient time for decisions by those suing they would help it win on appeal for technical reasons, as well as elevate it higher, exposing some of the questionable logic behind their rulings on a national or regional stage.

That or they don't want Dan to make up nicknames for them.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444274 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444274 Politics Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:22:41 -0800 Comment by Dan Savage Shari Alexander?

]]> Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444279 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444279 Politics Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:25:00 -0800 Comment by socialarsonist hmmm....

shouldn't they file an appeal thing even if its just symbolic, just to show that they're not going away? i wonder if that weasel jamie pederson will be against this before he becomes for it?

]]> socialarsonist http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444289 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444289 Politics Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:32:26 -0800 Comment by Danny Lovejoy "The longer we have to think about it, the better off we are," said Lisa Stone, director of the Northwest Women's Law center. "We are analyzing every conceivable option, and nothing's off the table at this point."

It's refreshing to hear the lawyers keeping the public informed on or about their decision to file a motion to reconsider.

I'm all for filing that motion...Get on it!

]]> Danny Lovejoy http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444290 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444290 Politics Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:32:33 -0800 Comment by Dan Savage I'm for it too—and we'll ask Pedersen about it tomorrow at the Stranger's second round of 43rd district endorsement interviews.

]]> Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444301 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444301 Politics Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:46:45 -0800 Comment by Bryce I've spoke to Jamie Pedersen and he knows this is important, AND symbolic. In fact, there are few people in this district who know that better than Jamie.

But remember folks, it's not just his decision. It's those plaintiffs too, who just might not want to be dragged through it all again to be turned down once more - even the possibility of such an outcome is scary, I'm sure.

]]> Bryce http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444316 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444316 Politics Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:02:43 -0800 Comment by socialarsonist i bet money this is how it goes:

if they make an appeal, pederson turns it into last-minute campaign fodder. if they don't appeal it, pederson takes the "i wanted to appeal but had to respect the plaintiffs decision" stance, for last minute campaign fodder.

isn't it funny, dan, how voters at the 43rd LD meeting last night didn't give a damn about two of your three finalists?
anyone at the stranger thinking better of the lame-brained final three?

]]> socialarsonist http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444335 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444335 Politics Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:19:36 -0800 Comment by Dan Savage What's your point, SA? Are we obligated to endorse—or come to the same conclusions—as the 43rd District org? Endorsements in this race are falling all over the place—it's one of the things that's making the race exciting, no?

]]> Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444336 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444336 Politics Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:22:45 -0800 Comment by ImpossiblePrince Why wouldn't the plaintiffs want to do this? They were basically hand-picked anyway. They know the risks involved not matter how 'scary'.

]]> ImpossiblePrince http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444341 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444341 Politics Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:38:44 -0800 Comment by one thing One thing to consider: The opinion on the Supreme Court case wasn't just unjust, it was pretty weak and sloppy as far as opinions go, giving the legal community more options in the future (what those options are, who knows?) Going for a reconsideration could possibly give the Supreme Court an opportunity to tighten it up on the second try, leaving no room to maneuver later.

]]> one thing http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444365 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444365 Politics Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:11:10 -0800 Comment by it's a neutral thing Don't EVEN try reading anything into this. It is pro forma - a party asks for a little time, it'll be granted because no one is disadvantaged.

]]> it's a neutral thing http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444419 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444419 Politics Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:53:53 -0800 Comment by P At this point, logic has completely left the building.

The only way you can get the ruling you want is through appealing to bogus biases like they did. In this case, change it from an equal protection issue into a freedom of religion issue. Send some ministers up from gay friendly churches and have them say that the state is interfering with their freedom of religion by denying them the right to officiate their religious ceremonies (read: weddings) as they see fit.

]]> P http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444493 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444493 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:14:55 -0800 Comment by Sachi I've done quite a few appeals in my time (well over 50), including several in the Washington Supreme Court. I've not had occasion to move for reconsideration of a S.Ct opinion but I've moved for reconsideration of a court of appeals decision. One very possible outcome is that the core of the decision will not change, but some of the ugly language on the periphery will be revised. For example, there could be some changes to make the decision less viciously harmful to gays and their families, even though the decision overall still upholds the DOMA.

It's hard to speculate; what the court could do will depend on what the plaintiffs ask for in their petition for reconsideration, and of course the court likely will be affected by the reactions to its idiocy.

]]> Sachi http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444547 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444547 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:42:27 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Just because the reasoning and logic used by the Supreme Court was unsound and illogical, don't expect them to change their minds and deal with reality.

That's like expecting the WH to get some brains.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444603 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444603 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:42:49 -0800 Comment by blehpunk They need to file for reconsideration. We only need to sway one more judge. I think we can do it, if we didn't push a little bit just a short time ago we'd end up w/ Dino Rossi as governor. I'm sure that if the decision went the other way the other side would have an outcry to have the decision reconsidered. This state needs to know that queers aren't going to let them fuck w/ us.

]]> blehpunk http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444716 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444716 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:34:22 -0800 Comment by Geni It's entirely possible that they realized basing their decision on such a spurious claim as that marriage exists for procreation is questionable, at best. Possibly the reams of mail from those of us in legally-sanctioned marriages who cannot, will not, or don't wish to breed, made an impact. Possibly the reams of mail from those who cannot enter into legally-sanctioned marriages who have bred and are quietly rearing their offspring, made an impact. Maybe the cranio-rectal inversion suffered by three of them (I expect no different from idiots like Jim Johnson or Richard Sanders) is starting to reverse itself.

Dammit, Barbara Madsen's own daughter works for LGBT causes!

]]> Geni http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444730 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444730 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:07:36 -0800 Comment by Danny Lovejoy The Slog moves very fast. I have a question regarding the following post Dan.

"we'll ask Pedersen about it tomorrow at the Stranger's second round of 43rd district endorsement interviews."

Posted by Dan Savage - August 9, 2006 04:46 PM

What did Pedersen have to say? Did you have a chance to talk to him?

Thanks for the update in advance.

]]> Danny Lovejoy http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444936 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/things_that_make_you#c444936 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:44:03 -0800