Slog - Comments on The Mariners' Comeback http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac Like being a parent or owning a poodle (the breed my son chose when it was time for him to get a dog), the fact that my adult self holds season tickets to the Mariners would rock my teenage theater fag self to his core. But hold `em I do, so I was at Safeco Field last night when the Ms broke their 11-game losing streak by beating the New York Yankees. We came home with some very special merchandise last night. There was a promotional giveaway at the game: the first 35,000 fans through the gates got to "bring... Copyright 2007 Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:32:08 -0800 Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:19:55 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Stephanie Time for a rant! Please tell me, Dan, that you didn't actually say that to your son. Haven't you learned the parental "Wait till you're older" response?

I am all for free speech, but as for X-rated posters, if you are into that stuff, you can find out about it in other, more private ways (Internet, anyone?). There is no reason to publicize it, possibly offending people or confusing the young'uns. And anything with "sucks" on it is just plain vulgar, not funny. Time to grow up, America.

]]> Stephanie http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449750 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449750 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:57:34 -0800 Comment by Levislade "too New York"?

I understand what you're trying to say, but yelling "Yankees Suck" is a proud Boston tradition, and there's not much New York about it (Mets fans notwithstanding).

]]> Levislade http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449754 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449754 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:09:30 -0800 Comment by ahura You really can't wear a "Yankees Suck" T to Safeco?

]]> ahura http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449756 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449756 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:15:08 -0800 Comment by BostonBear Thank you LEVISLADE! As a Boston-based Red Sox fan, I took slight offense at having our battle cry attributed to a member of the evil empire.
Yankees suck and Mariners can't suck it themselves; sounds like a great pairing to me.

]]> BostonBear http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449760 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449760 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:19:40 -0800 Comment by Sail There are several things that this brought to mind:
1) The idea that there is some differential of suckiness between the Mariners and Yankees: silly. All pro sports suck.
2) Mariner's double nice double standard: great to point out.
3) Americans, even gay sex advice columnist Americans, are going to have to face up to the fact that kids, even young kids, know a hell of a lot more about sex than we'd prefer to think, that they are usually a little embarassed about knowing about it, and usually have the tact to be quiet about knowing about it. The kid will be fine.
P.S. Stephanie: complaining about vuglarity at a baseball game is like complaining about social stratification at the opera.

]]> Sail http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449765 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449765 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:30:49 -0800 Comment by dewsterling Boston doing all the sucking this weekend at Fenway. Nonetheless it has become a popular pastime for everyone and anyone with even a marginal interest in baseball to use the phrase "Yankees Suck". It's not just a Boston-thing anymore.

I'd think that "too New York" would reference booing - The Bronx Cheer. Some of us actually like the Yankees here in NY.

]]> dewsterling http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449769 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449769 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:38:59 -0800 Comment by Dan Savage Hey, I get email from 12 year-olds every day. I know that kids know more about sex than most adults would like to believe. But at 8, I'm thinking my kid doesn't know about oral sex yet.

And, no, I didn't say that to my kid about the t-shirt. I said, "I don't know."

As for "Yankees Suck," I suppose I should have said "is too East Coast," not "too New York." Aggressive behavior and screaming and yelling is common over there, not so common here.

]]> Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449772 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449772 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:47:55 -0800 Comment by dewsterling Having lived on both coasts and parts in the middle, my experience has been that aggressive behavior, complete with screaming and yelling, is fairly ubiquitous at sporting events in general.

Some "nice" Jazz fans threatened my Mom with physical violence at a game in SL, UT a few years ago.

]]> dewsterling http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449778 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449778 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:00:21 -0800 Comment by Jude Poodles are awesome (as long as you don't give them those humiliating haircuts)!

]]> Jude http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449781 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449781 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:12:06 -0800 Comment by Seattle Man "come rag?"
How tacky.
Try serviette d'amour

]]> Seattle Man http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449784 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449784 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:21:00 -0800 Comment by Ivan Cockrum Jesus, Dan - your "explanation to the kid" is the funniest thing you have ever written.

]]> Ivan Cockrum http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449786 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449786 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:27:37 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Try explaining the guy we saw in Centralia last weekend with "IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THE BITCH FELL OFF" on the back and "IF IT HAS TITS OR TIRES, THERE'S GONNA BE TROUBLE" on the front. I'd estimate about 300 pounds worth. Several other 300-pounders in the room offered insightful commentary, too, about their own ex-wives and the trouble they'd seen (unlike their dicks, which had obviously been obscured for some time).

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449792 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449792 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:36:21 -0800 Comment by brandon I love you, Dan Savage. This is hilarious.

Last month my 6 year old nephew found my leather cock ring (with snaps). "What's this?" he said.
"It's a bracelet," I explained. He wanted to put it on his wrist and show his mommy. I snatched it away.
"You dont need to tell you mommy everything," I said.

]]> brandon http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449796 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449796 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:46:20 -0800 Comment by andrew "...it doesn't have a mouth of it's own..."

Two Slog posts in a row that employ "it's" instead of "its"! Sarah and Dan deserve some sort of commemorative plaque.

]]> andrew http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449799 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449799 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:50:12 -0800 Comment by Ed When I was at Fenway Park in Boston in 2001, outside the stadium they had t-shirts for sale that read:

Yankees Suck! AND JETER SWALLOWS!!!!

]]> Ed http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449826 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449826 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:31:09 -0800 Comment by Levislade Yeah, there's a whole cottage industry of that type of shirt around Fenway. Two of my faves:

"Jeter Sucks A-Rod"

"Bukkake Matsui" (not sure if I spelled that right, but I'm at work and there's no way I'm googling it to check)

]]> Levislade http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449832 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449832 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:39:08 -0800 Comment by COMTE And Dan, if it's (please note correct usage) any consolation, many local theatre folk are baseball fans, as well as Ms season ticket holders. Although after a season like this one, I can pretty much guarantee a lot of those tickets will end up being "donated" to fundraising events next year.

]]> COMTE http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449841 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449841 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:49:27 -0800 Comment by Mike in MO I agree with Ivan and Brandon; hilarious post. I don't have kids (thank god!), but I hope if I ever do I have the good sense that You have Dan.

That kid is going to be alright...

]]> Mike in MO http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449876 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449876 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:25:45 -0800 Comment by kerri harrop my friend amy once sent me a package from her home in los angeles, where i had just visited. inside was one item: a rally towel, emblazoned with the logo for Cialis.

cialis is, of course, the only erectile dysfunction pill that will last up to 36 hours. at least, that's what their website says.

attached to said towel was a simple admonishment: you forgot your come rag.

it is the only proof i have that los angeles has better freebies at sporting events than seattle does.

]]> kerri harrop http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449881 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449881 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:28:12 -0800 Comment by Josh Baseball is pure American fun. Great to hear that people are out enjoying the game with their kids, and not giving a thought to the war in Israel and Iraq. We can not change our way of life one bit or the terrorist will have one. Baseball, Hotdogs, Television, it's all what makes this country great.

]]> Josh http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449905 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449905 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:55:07 -0800 Comment by ivan All people who say "all pro sports suck" suck.

]]> ivan http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449959 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c449959 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:40:47 -0800 Comment by John Williams Dan, I'm a fan of yours, and the explanation (the fake explanation that I CAN'T BELIEVE a reader thought was real) was hysterically funny. But I have to humorlessly take issue with your "show-boating" reference. I'm a big, lifelong Yankees fan -- come by it honestly and geographically; I'm not a front-runner. In fact, the Yankees sucked for much of the 1980s when I was first passionate about them, and my fellow elementary schoolers on Long Island, most of them Mets fans, wouldn't let me hear the end of it. ANYWAY, since '96, when the Yankees revival began, these have been some profoundly professional guys. Even the temperamental ones, like Sheffield, aren't really show-boaters. And many of them -- Jeter, Pettitte, Mussina, Rivera, Matsui, Posada, and even now Abreu -- are almost the opposite of that. Steroids? Sure, I guess, but no more (and maybe less) than any other big-league team over the past decade. Soaked in money? Yeah, of course. But not show-boaters. Thus endeth my defensive rant. Keep up the good work.

]]> John Williams http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c450283 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c450283 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:32:45 -0800 Comment by Dan Savage Withdrawn, John Williams.

]]> Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c450356 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c450356 City Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:12:22 -0800 Comment by Reverend Gunrack Dude, you got your MOJO all over my Rally Towel!

]]> Reverend Gunrack http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c451316 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/the_mariners_comebac#c451316 City Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:19:55 -0800