Hey, I care. But getting rid of Moyer is a good sign, not a bad one. He's pretty much done, and smart teams working towards the future don't worry about their 40+ year old vets, they find kids who can play. It's been nice, Jamie, but your time here is over. We have some games to win -- next year and the year after.

but he still had 5-7 good years in him

Jamie is not only a great pitcher, he is a class act who does a lot of work in the community. His Moyer Foundation raises a ton of money for local charities, especially Children's Hospital and the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center.

I really like his story as an athelete. He's a testament to keeping your head down, working hard and never giving up. He has had his best years late in his career, when most guys are past their prime. At 43, he was the oldest player in the American League (now he has been traded to the NL). He was never a flasy or overpowering pitcher. His fastball was only in the high 80's, but his change-up was 10mph slower and batters couldn't tell the difference between the two until it was too late. His 20 wins in 2001 helped the Mariners tie the record for most wins in a season.

I'll be sad to see him go. The Mariners have so little to get me excited - an Ichiro stolen base, the occasional Richie Sexson home run, or maybe a great defensive play by Yuniesky Betancourt. You can take "Jamie Moyer making batters look like fools swinging so damn early" off of that list.

Yeah, it's a smart move for the team. Jamie's career is almost over now, and after the painful last couple weeks, so is the Mariner's season. So build for the future, and get something for him while we can. But it still sucks.

Maybe we can convert Safeco Field into a basketball arena, and send the Mariners to Oklahoma? [/sarcasm]

I care but only because it means the Phillies are actually trying to win that Wild Card spot. Who woulda thunk it? Go Phils!

how many free car washes at brown bear do the phillies get?

dan and i both care and are heartbroken. not only was he a great team player, but he cared about the community he was in. the phillies, even if he loses, will be better off with him.

now on to the yankees and red sox.

Are you guys kidding me?

I hate to say it but FNARF is the only one talking sense.

Who gives a shit how Moyer feels about the community? The guy is paid to play baseball. At his age, his fast ball is barely able to make it across the plate after 5 innnings.

Newsfalsh, we are 13 games out of first nad as "Dan's Boyfriend" said, we are getting ready to come up against the Yankees and Red Sox, so make that 19 games out.

This is a good move for the Mariners, as this season is finished. Hopefully we can get some solid pitching on this team. Also, getting a couple players who can consistently hit above 300 would be nice.

Good riddance! He can't get anybody out anymore. Pineiro should be next, then Meche. Too bad they're stuck with Washburn. He sucks too.

Interestingly, Jamie had to approve the deal for it to go through. Last year, he nixed a trade that would have sent him to Houston who went on to the World Series. Maybe Jamie didn't want to miss out on another shot at a ring? Hell, considering the frustrating lack of run support and typically lackluster play the Mariners gave Jamie whenever he took the hill, maybe he REQUESTED a trade.

Ever see that Bugs Bunny cartoon, where Bugs throws a single pitch so slow that the Gas-House Gorillas swing right through it (culminating in a conga line of "one, two, three, yer out!)?

That, to me, is Jamie Moyer. He'll be missed. Good luck to him in Philadelphia.

Jamie has been the heart of this team. It's really tough to see him go.

I care but mostly because I thought the trading deadline had already passed =)

Can my Red Sox please find some help?

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If Jamie is the "heart of this team", what's that say? This team blows.

I care. It's my deep desire that all Seattle sports teams will fail miserably. I want the Mariners to be the next Expos. I want the Seahawks to be the football equivalent of the next Expos. I want the teams to be such money losers that the leagues shut them down and move them away until we only have minor league sports teams and soccer. I want to sit on a rooftop in Pioneer Square and watch the destruction of both stadiums and the creation of residential neighborhoods with parks and high rises and small businesses and bars and clubs and elementary schools for the new families that set up shop. And most of all, I want to live in a Seattle where no one gives a damn about enhancement drug fiends get paid $20 million dollars to play a game.

On the mark FNARF, Gitai. The Mariners are wishful sailor boys. The AbFab exhibitionism, GAWD!! Old-school butt patting, googly-eyes over Ichiro's graceful lines, concern over the M's pitching rotation, working on the motion of the delivery from the mound! Yes, hanging around gay guys has provided a couple of insights, sadly enough, the better ones involve sports commentary.

Teams can continue trading after the deadline. What changes is that after July 31, every team has to approve the trade.

And this post is 8 months too late. The Mariners were Done, as in DEAD ON ARRIVAL the moment they signed Carl Everett. He makes every team into a larger version of himself: a loser.

Thanks Dave!

And that's one to grow on.....

"seniored veteran"? i assume you mean "seasoned veteran." for the love of god, get your sportswriting cliches in order.

FNARF Wrote:
"This team blows."

Fnarf, this team completely and utterly sucks! CPR won't help!

No pride, no effort, no GD desire.

It starts at the top and works its way down. The bloated management is log overdue to take a hit, otherwise next year will be a repeat of this year and last year.

Gawd I am glad college football will soon start.

--Jensen

The mariners need to figure out who's gonna help them in 2007 and who isn't and now is a good time to audition some starting pitchers. Getting Moyer, who likely would have retired after this season or would've shit the bed next season, onto another team and giving the Mariners more opportunities to sample some new blood was a good move. The prospects we got in return are marginal at best, but that's not the point. The point is giving Moyer a better shot at finishing strong, and giving a young guy or two a shot to earn a rotation spot next season.

The company I work for, in some strange, well-intentioned, yet terribly misguided gesture towards "togetherness" and "teamwork", makes us attend a Mariners game every year. I dread it: Sitting in the sun with my equally pasty co-workers, watching a game that I find only slightly more stimulating than the Home Shopping Network, is not my idea of fun.

Last year, in desparation, I got up and walked around and found myself hanging out with the smokers in the back end by the railroad tracks (It was just like high school!) There I witnessed what would have been a horrific accident between the KIRO radio truck and a BNSF freight train.

If only that damn Amtrak conductor had minded his own business and not run up to the truck and pounded on the hood to get the frozen-in-panic driver to move, I might have been on the TV.

I could just imagine my interview, and what I'd say: "I seen it. I seen that train comin' and that driver twarn't doin' nuthin and it was a powerful crash! 'least he's with Jesus now!".

I would have been magnificent.

i can understand the trade, i'm just sad he won't get one of those tribute nights like jay buhner, dan wilson and edgar had. oh well, here's to hoping he can help the phillies. and that those guys we got for him don't blow it.

Eesh. Kinda ignominious for Jamie to leave town like this. Especially if it it was Moyer himself who requested the trade. 'Hey folks, I've officially given up on you.' Shitty run support and here Moyer is a Ryan Franklin replacement in Philly.

I have to say, being a solid Moyer and Moyer-as-old-fart-competitor fan, I hate to witness his desperation and resignation.

Part of Moyer's job as crusty vet is to mentor to young players and to be a piling that the team's confidence can stay tied to, come hell or high water. It seems to me that Moyer subverts his cred persona with this move. I think it's a shitty message to the young guys on the team, and can't do much to hype up a guy like Ichiro. 'Ichiro, you stay and take the rest of this disaster; I'm outta here.'

What started as a tactical retooling of the team with the axing of Brett Boone, John Olerud, retirments of Edgar and Dan Wilson a couple of seasons back seems like crap-front-office, pure freefall implosion now.

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