Slog - Comments on Real Men Don't Make Lasagna http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l Well, this is depressing. Some guy named Nirpal Dhaliwal argues at great length in today's Daily Mail that women should embrace our sexual and reproductive servitude and stop "browbeating" men into listening to our hormonal prattling. I couldn't make this shit up: Back in the Nineties, emboldened by the successes of feminism, women sought to slay the dragon of patriarchy by turning men into ridiculous cissies who would cry with them through chick-flicks and then cook up a decent lasagne. Men cooking for women? Horrors! Rather than partnership, professional women tend to seek dominance in a relationship. They map their... Copyright 2007 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:32:51 -0800 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:07:52 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by ? Just curious, why is this newsworthy to you?

]]> ? http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444761 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444761 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:30:38 -0800 Comment by Sachi He's a sad sample of a human being. I can't comment on his poor wife.

]]> Sachi http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444764 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444764 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:33:54 -0800 Comment by longball I think it's one of the few good things you can say about (some) men, at least the ones he attacks in his article, that we responded to the changing dynamic of male/female roles by learning to cook lasagna. I have mastered a delicious recipe myself and the rewards i reap from my lovely lady for this token compromise of my manliness are way better then any grudge fuck this guy seems to think is the hallmark of a good marriage. Onward and upward, ladies. Viva la revolution!

]]> longball http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444769 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444769 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:41:15 -0800 Comment by Napoleon XIV See?!! When you outlaw bride burning, women start getting these ideas!

]]> Napoleon XIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444771 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444771 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:43:11 -0800 Comment by Daranee OK, I've said this before about The Sun. Nobody in Great Britain takes these publications seriously. I mean, they have naked ladies on page 3 for godsakes. That's not topnotch journalism!

Pointing out that the Daily Mail or the Sun is sexist, has bad writing, is racist, etc. -- well, you shouldn't be arsed, let's put it that way.

]]> Daranee http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444773 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444773 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:45:57 -0800 Comment by Seth Ironically, he cheated on her with a lasagna.

]]> Seth http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444775 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444775 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:46:35 -0800 Comment by duh This article is bullshit! Everyone knows the answer to "Who's the Boss?" is "TONY DANZA!"

]]> duh http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444777 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444777 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:49:16 -0800 Comment by Matthew Pathetic. Equating the ability to cook and a willingness to listen with non-male characteristics? That's just a man with zero confidence in his masculinity, who has to prop himself up with affairs and false machismo. I understand his point about not being a whipped loser, but relationships have to involve some compromise. And not just on her side. Typical Daily Mail drivel.

]]> Matthew http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444787 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444787 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:02:18 -0800 Comment by uluate Oh puh-lease. Quit with the hormone-addled woman-whining and shut the christ up for once, I'm trying to watch football.
And where in the hell is my lasagna?

]]> uluate http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444788 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444788 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:03:33 -0800 Comment by Mr. X Where does one start? What a limp-dicked punk - the classic pussy would-be wife beater who feels inadequate around both women and other men.

His wife should thrown him out for good.

]]> Mr. X http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444793 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444793 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:14:43 -0800 Comment by Napoleon XIV If the gays hadn't undermined traditional marriage so much, women would remember their place, dammit!

]]> Napoleon XIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444795 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444795 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:15:39 -0800 Comment by Mr. X ...and I bet he'd be crushed to learn that most of the orgasms he's taking all of the credit for giving someone were faked.

]]> Mr. X http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444796 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444796 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:16:07 -0800 Comment by Call Me Bond lasagna? To many calories, to many carbs, and well, too close to frozen dinner. Food which comes in a cardboard box does not say "I am man, I master fire, make my baby woman" BBQ ribs slow cooked for 6-8 hours over a smoky coals with home crafted bbq sauce. A Real Woman loves a Real Mans' ribs.

]]> Call Me Bond http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444807 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444807 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:29:02 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Daranee is right: this is THE DAILY MAIL. The whole PURPOSE of that paper is to print obnoxious sexist, racist rubbish. That's why it's THERE. It's like complaining that some of the stories in the Weekly World News are a bit far-fetched. D'ya think?

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444826 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444826 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:48:46 -0800 Comment by you_gotta_be_kidding_me Sounds like he has women figured out about right. I'm so glad I'm gay and don't have to deal with all that bullshit.

]]> you_gotta_be_kidding_me http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444830 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444830 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:50:41 -0800 Comment by why Erica, what has you in such a huff about men these days?

Can you please at least make an effort to do a little research first? There have got to be some real studies on this stuff. If you are set on reporting about mail foolishness then give us some numbers and forgo the one off lame asses. You are a journalist after all correct? Don’t you ever worry about what people think of your credibility?

]]> why http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444854 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444854 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:07:17 -0800 Comment by Fnarf "Mail foolishness"?

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444874 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444874 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:25:55 -0800 Comment by Jean Where in the world does that guy get the idea that men dominate women by giving them orgasms? Every woman knows that she's more likely to have an orgasm without a man than with.

Don't get me wrong, I love th' guys, but "so I can have orgasms" is NOT one of the reasons why.

And fake paper or not, there are guys out there who think this way. I met one of them within about a month of moving to Seattle. :P

]]> Jean http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444878 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444878 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:32:31 -0800 Comment by ECB FNARF and Daranee: Oh, really?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=397672&in_page_id=1879&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=FEMAIL&ct=5

]]> ECB http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444881 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444881 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:41:48 -0800 Comment by Fnarf I don't get it -- why are you reading the Daily Mail? It's trash. It's a right-wing tabloid. Ask an English person.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444896 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444896 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:07:58 -0800 Comment by Napoleon XIV "Ask an English Person" sounds like the name for a new Stranger column.

]]> Napoleon XIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444935 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444935 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:43:48 -0800 Comment by Geni Are we positive this didn't come from the Onion first? This thing reads like total satire to me. Either that, or the writer is a 30-year-old highschool dropout, 50 pounds overweight, with bad acne, who lives in his mother's basement and is a charter member of the Fighting 101st Keyboard Commandos - in other words, the type of male who has never, and will never, see an actual woman naked unless he pays $8 per soft drink for the privilege.

]]> Geni http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444945 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444945 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:51:03 -0800 Comment by Geni ...oh, and it's Everready and Duracell that have mastered the art of female domination through the gift of orgasm...

]]> Geni http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444946 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444946 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:52:13 -0800 Comment by Napoleon XIV Assault and Batteries!

]]> Napoleon XIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444954 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444954 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:59:37 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Ooh, I like the idea of a column "Ask An English Person"!!!!!

Seriously cool.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444993 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c444993 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:49:05 -0800 Comment by ECB Did you go to the link? My point was that, rag or not, the Mail actually has articles from both sides of the misogyny coin.

]]> ECB http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c445022 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c445022 Politics Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:42:32 -0800 Comment by Fnarf No, I didn't. I've read the Daily Mail before, and I don't need to read more. Finding a non-anti-woman article there doesn't mean anything; their purpose isn't to broadcast a point of view but to stir up trouble. The Daily Mail is a kind of "journalism" that we just don't have in this country, thank goodness; they make Fox News look like The Nation. Seriously: less tax and less blacks, that's their motto. Misogyny is nothing; they print "darkies back to Africa" editorials every frigging day in that thing. Maybe they throw in a pro-darkie bit every now and then, but it's only to stir the bigots into writing hysterical letters to the editor.

The Daily Mail is bad news. Don't read it. The madder you get, the more they laugh at you.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c445099 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c445099 Politics Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:13:20 -0800 Comment by Davida http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/biography/story/0,6000,1543533,00.html

It's interesting to read this article by Liz Jones, Nirpal's wife, after reading his article. Maybe he is misreading the dynamics of his relationship, a little bit, and is confusing "love of orgasm and manliness" with "sad insecurity from a lifetime of poor relationship choices."

]]> Davida http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c445455 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c445455 Politics Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:24:09 -0800 Comment by puke akqt edln kzab pvmaeuorz fbguey qhvtgyd magotfl lcruotfzn

]]> puke akqt http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c447458 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/real_men_dont_make_l#c447458 Politics Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:07:52 -0800