Let's hope that Rumsfeld's rampage is due to him knowing that he's about to be kicked out the door.

HA! Fat chance Gabriel. Dumsfeld's rampage is due to his being a war pig lunatic.

Funny side note: one of my right winger friends sent me the Dumsfeld story and told me to read it carefully so I would understand why King Bush needs to protect us from the boogey man islamo-fascists.

I guess the 30% that still believe the lies are really out there...How sad...

Rumsfeld has empowered more Islamofascists than practically anyone. And his boss is making sure that their supply of weapons remains unchecked. Weapons that are being used to kill Americans too.

I'm amazed that Rumsfeld thinks he could change his detractors' minds by calling them morally confused Nazi appeasers. Not likely to bring anyone around to his way of thinking. To me, it sounds like his last gasp toward securing some sort of legacy before he gets the boot. He wants to go down in history as Churchill among millions of Chamberlains. History will remember him as an inept, inflexible buffoon.

Using Rumsfeldian logic:

"Why must we emphasize the negative of Paris Hilton's album, when Christina Aguilera had such a stellar week of sales?"

that clown had it coming

Dan Savage and fnarf use the term islamofascist more than Rumsfeld himself does.

Is Dan in jail?

Rumsfeld is nuts but Islamofacisim is real. Check out the Chechyan Islamofacisists story: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/30/world/europe/30chechnya.html?hp&ex=1156996800&en=ddeec8e8e8b0aaeb&ei=5094&partner=homepage

"Morally, Intellectually confused"

Excellent phrase! It sums up the left perfectly.

And Fnarf, it's classic to hear you (& Dan Savage) quoting Michael Savage, who coined the phrase, Islamofascist. What's next? will you be saying that liberalism is a mental disorder as well?

Paul in Seattle: What do you call it then? Do you have a better name for it?

We're terribly anxious to hear if the constables have come for Dan. I wish someone would give us the courtesy of an update.

Has anyone grabbed a copy of today's Stranger to see what it is that might get Dan in trouble?

Christopher Hitchens is the first person I heard use the word "islamofascist" (although of course I don't listen to the Other Savage.

I hope he gets a stabbing pain in the groin every time Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld use it to justify their war(s) of terror.

Orangesuit,

What do I call it?

I call it spot on the Money. Michael Savage (for as much of a nut job as he is) hit the nail on the head.

You mean Michael Weiner?

No, I mean Michael Savage.

As I don't know the man personally, his on air pseudonym is accurate.

Kind of like addressing you, Keshmeshi, by your troll pseudonym.

Paul -- Let's compare the Rumsfeld-instigated-and-planned war in Iraq to the Clinton run military intervention in Kosovo.

Which cost more, both in money and humanity? (hint: I believe there have been NO US deaths in Kosovo.) Which would you say was more effective in the goal of bringing democracy and peace to a troubled muslim region of the world? In which conflict was American presence genuinely welcomed? Which conflict had a well thought out and executed plan for victory? Which did more to generate goodwill towards Americans in the global muslim population? Which conflict strengthened the relationships with our allies?

Which military intervention was "morally and intellectually confused," the liberal Kosovo campaign or the conservative Iraq war?

Which would you pick to do again, Paul?

People are going to rue the day they slept on the bomb-ass Paris H joint.

Friends don't let friends vote Fascist. Of course, that's what's worrying Repubs like Rumsfeld.

golob: Let me guess Paul's answer to your last question...Iraq.

Why do I guess that? Because the 30% that STILL believe the neo-con shit would follow them into anything as long as they said so...

Eat shit and die, Paul in Seattle, and take your godforsaken craphole party with you.

Golob,

Are you actually being serious?

Kosovo was the beginning and acceleration of, Al Qaeda?

Are we at least in agreement that Al Qaeda is an enemy we are at war with?

Where are you Paul? Don't let my "morally, intellectually confused" liberal ass take you down in a TKO! Which would it be, Iraq or Kosovo?

Do you see the grim irony in how Iran, the most fascist and islamic of the world powers, has been the big beneficiary of Rumsfeld's inept war?

Paul? C'mon where is the sanctimonious retort?

Golob (& FNARF)

Do a little reading....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaeda

Paul --
Do you even know on whose behalf we interviened in Kosovo? Serbian aggression against muslims was PREVENTED by the US lead NATO intervention.

Have you read the (bipartisan) 9/11 Commission report? Al Queda was organized in major part to get the soldiers left by Bush Sr. out of Saudi Arabia! Ugh.

Did you read that link? I'll quote for you:
"After some deliberation the Saudi Monarch refused bin Laden's offer and instead opted to allow United States and allied forces to deploy on his territory. Bin Laden considered this a treacherous deed. He believed that the presence of foreign troops in the "land of the two mosques" (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil. After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops he was quickly forced into exile to Sudan and his Saudi citizenship was revoked.

Shortly afterwards, the movement which came to be known as al-Qaeda was formed."

Who left all those troops in Saudi Arabia? Was their last name Bush?

Retort?

Are you kidding me?

Considering our actions in Kosovo (or should I say inaction) has directly atrributed to the current state.

Also, what's the comparrison, the question is just absolutely ignorant, your companring a NATO operation to the war on terror?

Kosovo's population is around 2 million,

Iraq's is What? 26? How about the recruiting pool with it's neighboring countries? That's bring it to what Like 100 million Plus? How many of those are Muslim? How many of those are radical?

Actually, borders should have been thrown out of this situation on Day One of the war. As FNARF accurately states with his Islamofacist comment, this has nothing to do with geographic boundaries. rather, everything to do with religious beliefs.

The issue of Kosov had everything to do with geography, The war on terror has somehow been limited to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Argue what you want about Iraq (I don't support it, didn't vote for it), but ignoring the fact that war was declared on us by a radical group of Islamic fundamentaists, is just insane.

So, explain to me how you see Kosovo and everything that has happened since then anything other than linked? All we did in Kosovo was plant the seeds for Sep, 11th 2001.

Golb, you just don't get it do you?

So Osama was exiled to Sudan, again, geography....

How many of the 9/11 terrorist (sorry GOLOB, shoudl I call them freedom fighters on our behalf) were from Suadi Arabia?

Paul, you're making it too easy for golob.

Seriously. I'd suggest to sticking to opinions rather than factually wrong statements.

Paul, explain this to me: How did the inept overthrowing of a _secular_ dictatorship do anything to punish those who attacked us on 9/11?

And cut out that freedom fighter shit. Just before moving to seattle in the fall of 2001, I was an EMT-B in baltimore. I lost personal friends on United 93, the Pentagon and the twin towers.

The most frustrating aspect of Rumsfeld's criminal condescending incompetence is how the Iraq war has diverted attention and resources away from those actually responsible.

It doesn't take a Von Neumann to figure out there are at least a half-dozen superior ways we could have used our military power to respond to 9/11. Hell, even doing a proper job in Afganistan, and simply continuing the excellent diplomatic work in Pakistan would have netted us Osamma's head on a stick. Iraq was a pointless, foolish waste.

I don't have time to explain this all to you. Go read the (bipartisan) 9/11 report.

Golob,

Your past part-time job as an EMT... Who gives a shit?

You think this gives you some moral superiority you arrogant fuck? BTW, i think your full of shit on your relationships with 9/11 victims

I am a veteran of Panama and the First Gulf War and have lost plenty of friends along the way, but I don't tote this around like my opinion is supposed to matter more than anyone elses.

First off, RE: Your opposition to the war in IRAQ, which is what you are arguing about, not this admisinistrations policies on counter-terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is what Rummsfelds comment addressed.

Secondly, your comparrison to Kosovo -vs- The war on terror, it's a bullshit question.

I've already said it and I'll say it again, I do not personally agree with this, but as an American, I stand behind our government. I would suggest you do the same. Saddam was nothing more than a rat in a shoebox and all we had to do is shake him up every once in a while.

If we wanted to get rid of Saddam, we should have done it in 1990. However, that was not the Mission.

I agree that IRAQ is all fucked up but I could not disagree with you more on the issue of Diplomacy.

However, the issue of Al Qaeda and islamofacists, we should be hunting down every one of these fuckers.

Regarding Clintons effectiveness.... Horseshit, He was in office when the American Embassy in Yemen was bombed in 1998 and did nothing, in October of 2000 when the USS cole was attacked, he again did nothing, seems to me the 9/11 terrorist were firmly in place when Bush took office in January of 2001.

Is that the kind of effective diplomacy your refrencing? newsflash Golob, that's not diplomacy, that's cowardice.

Personally, I have my own opinions regarding President Bush, but recognize we are in a time of war and there will be plenty of room to gossip later.

Going back to the matter at hand, The public and critics of this Administration are "Morally and intellectually confused". Absolutely, the Issue of the Middle East goes back for thousands of years and blaming hostilities on Bush is laughable.

To get where we are today, The US Governement has ignored the problem of the Middle East for what? Since a bare minimum of the 1948 Arab-Israeli war.

So rather than reading the fucking 9/11 Report, I'd suggest you a lot father back. Additionally, i'd suggest you get a grip on reality. This war is going to be around for a long, long time and scurrying away from a fight like a buch of coawrds is not the answer.

Al Qaeda attacked the embassies in Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya in 1998, not Yemen. As far as the government's response goes, Clinton didn't do nothing, he just didn't do enough.

I'm no fan of Clinton. He sat on his hands during the Rwandan genocide and he pursued an ass-backwards policy re: Kosovo. What a great idea! Create a humanitarian crisis among the Serbs to supposedly stop a humanitarian crisis among Kosovar Albanians. He was damn lucky that that didn't blow up in his face. However, despite all his faults, Clinton was an infinitely better president that George W. Bush.

The United States government has hardly ignored the Middle East since 1948. Just off the top of my head: We installed the Shah in Iran. We installed Saddam in Iraq. We played Iraq and Iran against each other during their war, a war that cost a million lives.

However, the issue of Al Qaeda and islamofacists, we should be hunting down every one of these fuckers.

I actually agree with you on this, Paul. Who says liberals and conservatives can never agree on anything? However, how the fuck are we supposed to hunt down al Qaeda and other terrorists when we're bogged down in Iraq?

I stand corrected, The attack on the Cole was in Yemen, the simultaneous embassy attacks were not.

Regardless, how do we adress this? Initiate a draft, escalte the war, track these vermin wherever they are....

Now let us pause to let Paulie here wipe the spittle from his monitor.

"Escalte the war, track these vermin" is about the level of sophistication I'd expect from a talk-radio listener. But wouldn't it be wonderful if we had some idea who they were? If we didn't, in fact, find out that most of them have been operating with the support of the US government and our allies, including some close personal friends of the Bushes? If we didn't, in fact, find out that our intelligence services already knew everything they needed to know to prevent 911 but didn't because they won't talk to each other? And that the Bush administration, instead of instituting reforms, is instead making sure that every person in the government who can read and write is expelled from service? And that our operations that WORK, namely investigation and intelligence, have been scrapped in favor of big mean dipshits with dogs to torture the fuckers until they tell us the lies we want to here? And then throw away decades of cooperative intelligence work with our allies?

I'll say it again, Paulie baby: you're full of shit. You're the enemy. You and your ilk and your failed policies and your contempt for knowledge and reason and culture and truth have had a go, and you've set the USA's stature and safety back thirty years. Go away.

Fnarf...

I've seen your blog, your wife is a nasty pig....

Now go watch your Michael Moore propganda and listen to Air Amnerica, you cowardly Fuck.

I do not personally agree with this, but as an American, I stand behind our government.

The way I see it, being in a democracy is about not standing behind your government when it pulls crazy-arse shit.

Personally, I have my own opinions regarding President Bush, but recognize we are in a time of war and there will be plenty of room to gossip later.

This particular "time of war" is entirely because of Bush. What's more, in times of war it is more important than ever to be critical of governmental decisions, and egregiously dangerous to blindly support everything the government does.

Monkey....

So, Bush flew those plane into the World Trade center?

And the Iraqi war has exactly what to do with that?

Notice Paulie has lost the ability to spell. Must be mighty pissed off. Attacking my wife, of all people, who he claims to have seen on my "blog", which is impossible. A real gentleman.

Just for the record, I am neither a Michael Moore supporter nor a "Air Amnerica" listener. I'm a free agent and a plain Democrat. Watching Republicans like Paulie these days is like watching a zoo critter pacing in his cage.

Fnarf,

Not a gentlemen? Boo Fucking who....

Speaking of caged animals, keep feeding Nancy.

Does anyone else find this disturbing and pitiable? Get some help, Paul. You're losing it. I wouldn't want to see even you go down from a cop's bullet on my doorstep, which is where you sound like you're heading.

Don't flatter yourself you troll, jackass.