Slog - Comments on Pamberi Ne Enlightenment; Pasi Ne Romantacism http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten Translated from Shona, "Pamberi Ne Enlightenment" means "Forward With Enlightenment" and "Pasi Ne Romantacism" means "Down With Romantacism." Now my point: After reading a number of books on and by the powerful, 17th century philosopher Spinoza, I have decided that what you see in this famous painting by Caspar David Friedrich is the source of all our problems. Romanticism--which began in the late 18th century and has its roots in the claim that "man is born free but everywhere is...", and also in Kant's ambivalence with (and ultimate undermining of) the enlightenment project, with science, with the sober business of... Copyright 2007 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:57:44 -0800 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:08:47 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Levislade Is it possible for bloggers themselves to be trolls?

]]> Levislade http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445304 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445304 Arts Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:30:41 -0800 Comment by Whoa What?

]]> Whoa http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445311 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445311 Arts Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:47:13 -0800 Comment by Levislade If that "what?" was directed to me:

I meant that Mudede's posts regularly seem designed to provoke irate responses. I often find myself starting to compose such responses (in this case something along the lines of "Screw you! JMW Turner was the bomb!"), and then stop myself, thinking I'm just playing into his rhetorical trap.

Or maybe I'm just being paranoid. Anyway, Turner rules. Friedrich was pretty cool too.

]]> Levislade http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445320 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445320 Arts Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:00:14 -0800 Comment by hijacked At least his posts are thought-provoking, if controversial and at times slightly unhinged, opinions on actual topics, not just trite, unsupported ramblings meant to shock and inflame. I look forward to Charles' posts - even ones I don't entirely agree with - because I can count on him to come at an issue with fresh eyes, or at least with the eyes of an at-times naive philosophy grad student who can contribute context and elaborate on his opinions.

In this case though I'd have to say I mostly agree with him. Romanticism is at its heart anthropocentric, and makes untenable claims about man's exceptionalism in nature left over from archaic beliefs in invisible deities. Even though Joe Sixpack in Trailerpark, Kansas may not realize it, a large part of the philosophical backdrop of our current situation in our country is built on this premise.

]]> hijacked http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445326 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445326 Arts Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:16:17 -0800 Comment by socialarsonist i agree with levislade:

i think charles posts add little value to the slog-- and they generally seem to be written just so that mudede can listen to the echo of his own pretentious voice in cyberspace.

]]> socialarsonist http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445329 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445329 Arts Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:19:43 -0800 Comment by Levislade Romanticism was of course flawed - I'm more of an Enlightement type myself - but suggesting we remove 70 years of art and culture from our history is ridiculous, and I don't see any purpose other than to shock and inflame those of us who can see the difference between a philosophy and the works of art that might have come about in concert with it.

]]> Levislade http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445333 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445333 Arts Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:26:20 -0800 Comment by Levislade Arrgh. "Enlightenment."

]]> Levislade http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445343 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445343 Arts Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:39:25 -0800 Comment by Xu-Tech Mr. Mudede is the ONLY person writing anything of value at The Stranger. (well, Schmader's Last Days IS great too). I find his posts consistently provocative and/or funny. Some people (read: socialarsonist) should go stab themselves in the face with a sharp knife or something. As for Romanticism...hasn't "The Enlightenment" caused more damage?

]]> Xu-Tech http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445398 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445398 Arts Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:58:05 -0800 Comment by Former Professor Nothing is without reason.

Nothing is, without reason.

]]> Former Professor http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445431 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445431 Arts Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:51:58 -0800 Comment by you_gotta_be_kidding_me The problem with Romanticism is Romantics.

]]> you_gotta_be_kidding_me http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445485 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445485 Arts Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:39:58 -0800 Comment by jeff this painting is the cover art for mary shelly's frankenstein - i bought it at udub books for 2 bucks.

]]> jeff http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445493 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445493 Arts Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:02:44 -0800 Comment by Noone Socialarsonist: You probably won't see this, as it's now an old blog entry. If you don't like it, DON'T READ IT! You know what you're getting into when you see his name. My guess is that you don't have former professors adding any two-cents worth to your thoughts. As for Charles postings, it's not often I encounter blog entries that requires me to really stop and think. That in itself makes it worth the trip, don't you think? Maybe not.

]]> Noone http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445604 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445604 Arts Sat, 12 Aug 2006 02:16:48 -0800 Comment by Jon Charles --

The problem with laying all of this at Friedrich's feet is that Romanticism was well underway before Friedrich put brush to panel (or canvas). Lots of 18th C. Romantics. Tons. Ooodles. Going on about massy peaks in the mountains, and all else.

So. Can't blame Friedrich; gotta go earlier.

]]> Jon http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445646 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445646 Arts Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:56:06 -0800 Comment by Shoshana Religious fanatics - Christian, Jewish and Muslim, are not the roots of today's problems. It is the white European Male poets and composers of the 1800's who are responsible. We must cling to religions, especially Judaism, but rid the world of romantic poetry. Romantic poetry is the source of oppression. White, European Males, especially artists are the source of all evil.

]]> Shoshana http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445713 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445713 Arts Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:27:56 -0800 Comment by Foster-child of silence and slow time People who don't believe beauty is truth are probably ugly.

]]> Foster-child of silence and slow time http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445786 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c445786 Arts Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:45:40 -0800 Comment by TJ OK, screw you Mudede. Some of my favorite poets, musicians, painters are Romantics.


Whyn't you pick on the coal-burning SOBs who had kids working 12/14-hour days in their sweatshops????

(Ah ... at last, a chance to use "Save The Kids!!)

]]> TJ http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c446148 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/08/pamberi_ne_enlighten#c446148 Arts Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:08:47 -0800