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Tuesday, July 25, 2006

War is Peace, and Density is Sprawl.

Posted by on July 25 at 15:53 PM

Anti-growth activist Greg Hill’s op/ed in the P-I today opposing “detached accessory dwelling units” (garage apartments) is riddled with errors, mischaracterizations, and half-truths. I really recommend reading the whole loony thing for yourself, but here’s my personal favorite whopper:

Unlike the neighborhood plans, which call for new residential density to be focused, the DADU concept is for growth anywhere, creating an in-city sprawl that will increase auto-dependency.

“In-city sprawl”? Is Hill kidding? I really don’t even know where to start with this literally nonsensical, dishonest bullshit. (Maybe with the fact that “in-city” and “sprawl” have exactly opposite meanings? Or perhaps with the disingenuousness of using environmental buzzwords to promote policies that lead to sprawl?) More people per square foot is the definition of density. Density decreases auto dependence. The alternative—encouraging people who would rent DADUs to move to the suburbs—would increase it.

Let’s move on:

“Affordability” is the justification for the proposal. Four “affordable” DADU prototypes were built for an average of more than $200,000 each.

To inject a tiny dose of reality: The median house price in King County is $405,000. By that standard, $200,000 is affordable. And anyway, rent is dictated more by the housing market than by what a place costs to build. (If rent is even an issue: Many homeowners say they want to build DADUs for their elderly relatives or teenage children, who would presumably live rent-free.)

The city expects 10 to 20 a year will be built.

Hmm… So which is it, Greg: “growth anywhere” or ten new units a year? Because I have a hard time believing that ten new garage apartments (or even—horrors!—20) will have much impact on the city as a whole, good orbad.

Moving on:

Only one parking space per tenant is required. The young and restless at City Hall say we should live without cars. We should try to drive less, but car ownership is a reality. Seven tenants means seven cars.

And seven cars means seven parking spaces (which I think is way too much, but nobody asked me.) So… What, exactly, is the problem again?

Even the headline is nonsensical: “Don’t Allow Housing Units to Squeeze Out Backyard Tomatoes.” A better headline might have been: “Don’t Allow Homeowners to Subsidize Their Mortgages with Apartments on their Own Property.”


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It's like the guy doesn't even know that arterials are zoned with higher Residential or Mixed Use heights, or that Fremont has literally converted more than 100 apartments to condos just in the last year.

Next thing you know, he'll write about how it's cheaper to live in the suburbs, even though your commute costs you $5000 a year when you actually run the numbers, and a mortgage in Seattle is a lot cheaper, considering the fact your property increases in value as well.

I don't quite understand Greg Hill's agenda. I attended a Transportation Choices Coalition meeting where Hill was taking them to task for not taking a harder line against highway building. I was thinking to myself, "Who the hell are you to be challenging a transit group about fighting highways when you're Mr. Parking Rights Champion?"

It's because of people like Greg Hill, I guess, that we have these politicians like Peter Steinbrueck, Nick Licata, and Richard Conlin who take hypocritical, schizophrenic stances concerning transit and density. At least with those councilmembers they're doing so as a political stance; Greg Hill must actually be sincere in his hypocrisy.

Erica, I agree that Hill's op-ed is a little cooky, but it's impossible to take you seriously. It's clear from your tone that you've never given a fair shake to libertarians' views on the matter. And frankly, it's embarrassing.

W, libertarians are now in favor of restrictive zoning of private property? War really is peace.

The thing about the DADU fight is that it's totally symbolic. As long as the owner has to live on the lot, the city's numbers are right: there will never be more than 20 DADUs constructed each year.

Steve, I'm not in favor of restrictive zoning, and I'm not aligned with Hill in any way. I am also, however, opposed to government planning that attempts to impose its vision on the entire city.

DADU's are a reasonable response to a place where the housing needs outpace availability and cost - provided there is adequate over-sight. Otherwise you'll end up with greedy homeowners throwing up Tuff-sheds with toilets and a hot plate and calling it an efficiency apartment.

You want dishonest? DPD trying to effectively impose duplex zoning in single family zones through DADU's is dishonest (now, if there were real limits on the ability of people to knock down an existing DADU structure and replace it with a second house, that would be another thing, but that's not how the legislation now proposed would play out in practice).

For those of you who missed the neighborhood planning process, the fundamental promise the City made to get the Complan and neighorhood plans passed was that new housing would be concentrated in designated urban villages with mixed-use zoning in order to focus growth away from existing single-family neighborhoods (and, by the way, existing zoning was said to be more than adequate to meet Complan growth goals - now called targets - without additional upzones)

Greg Hill doesn't agree with your rather simplistic views on land use (eg - density in Seattle prevents suburban sprawl, tearing down existing lowrise apartments and building upper income units makes housing more affordable, people who live in the City don't need cars, etc etc), but that doesn't make him a liar, disingenuous, or any of the other nasty names you are calling him.

BTW - Greg Hill rides his bike to more public meetings than just about anyone else out there, so he puts his money where his mouth is where alternative transportation is concerned.

And unless any of you are architects by trade, as Hill and Councilmember Steinbrueck both are, you might want to consider the fact that they are both much better educated on these matters than you are.

Again we have all this fury focused on TEN UNITS. Snore. It's not even a statistical blip. It won't impact the average Seattle neighborhood AT ALL. I don't care how many meetings Greg Hill cycles to or how many architecture degrees he has, he's flat out wrong, both objectively (ten units mean nothing) and subjectively (DADU units are cool and good policy).

His notion that single-family neighborhoods are under threat is ludicrous, I'm sorry.

snore. snore, indeed.

Hey X -
Steinbreuck got into politics cause he couldn't cut it as an architect. Educated? Yes. Intelligent? No.

Mr.X,

I just don't see how you can say that allowing ten to 20 new units citywide qualifies as "concentrating" new housing anywhere. I would understand your objection if we were talking about hundreds of new units concentrated in a single neighborhood, but allowing a few units scattered here and there is not development run amok. It doesn't even qualify as density.

p.s. Aren't you supposed to be on vacation?

ECB,

It's the principle of the thing - this proposal really is duplexing (what are two houses on a single-family lot if not that?) by another name, and if it goes forward in SE Seattle, you can bet your bottom dollar DPD will make a concerted effort to duplex single-family property citywide.

BTW - I actually testifed in support of ADU's at a public hearing many years ago when they were first legalized (and there are still thousands of them out there that have never been propertly permitted).

As I said, if this proposal were more carefully drafted to allow existing structures, that might be one thing, but it's not (and if you think DPD will deny future occupancy permits because the main unit isn't owner-occupied, I've got a $5 billion waterfront tunnel to sell you!)

What's wrong with duplexes?

You know what's threatening Seattle's swanky single-family neighborhoods? The Invasion of the Super-Houses. Everywhere I go, Phinney, Wedgewood, wherever, I see them, these monstrous four-story 6,000 square-foot scale-obliterating McMansions. They may not take up extra parking spaces -- though the people who live in them always seem to have about four gigantic vehicles per person, with their Hummers sticking out into the parking strip, but they sure as heck are ugly and intimidating.

Why doesn't this Hill fellow protest those?

FNARF,

I totally agree on mega houses - but it's a completely different problem.

As I understand them, megahouses are usually very large single structures built on an existing single family lot to the absolute limit of what is legally permitted, and that do not meet the requirements of ADU's (which include separate entrances, utility billing, a minimum number of off-street parking spots, etc).

To me, the key concern that megahouses and DADU's (as proposed) give rise to is that they both involve setbacks from the adjacent property owner's lotline . I may be wrong, but I'm inferring that part of what you and most people hate about megahouses is how they overwhelm adjacent properties and block light, etc. Greg Hill is absolutely right when he says that the DADU proposal could have the same results for those who live next to one.

If a homeowner wants an owner-occupied DADU, but their lot is 3600 or 5000 sf, they are likely to build it far enough from their house to maximize the privacy of their portion of it, so it is likely that DADU's will be built as close to the neighboring property line as possible. Look at the apartment buildings being built now - do you think DADU's would be any more architecturally sensitive?

It seems to me that the practical effect of this proposal is that as a neighbor to a DADU on most city lots, you'll have two structures expanding over time rather than one (and check in with me in 10 years, because I'll eat my hat if the City is still enforcing the owner- occupancy requirements for these small new apartments once they've been built in single-family zones).

I can't really speak for Greg Hill, but I do know him well enough to say with great confidence that he is way not down with anyone parking on a planting strip, especially a Hummer - it would block a whole lot more of the sidewalk than any other vehicle.

Yeah and besides, there could be tomatoes on that planting strip!

You know, I'm really not that interested in how virtuous Hill is, just in how wrong he is about DADUs. You keep talking about these mother-in-law APARTMENTS as if they were full-sized houses. They're not. They're a good thing.

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