Dude, Josh, get with the tofu lingo. "Strict vegetarian" means vegan, and I ain't that. Gimme some cheese!

Josh, I owe you one for leaving me off the roll call.

Yeah, I decided that belly dancing and goth clothing don't = hippie.

Those are rather liberal definitions of 'hippie'. :P Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

I wish I were a hippie.

btw -where does Savage fall on the hiipe scale?

Hippies smell because they don't take baths, and they mooch off people with real jobs. The Seattle Weakly was crawling with hippies, it will be good to finally get rid of all the hippies in Seattle.

I wish I was a hippie.

btw -where does Savage fall on the hippie scale?

my pc tricked me into double posting. please forgive me citizens of Slog.

Country Joe, eh?
I guess you're OK, Feit.

Savage falls more into the aggro-hippie militant types, you can NOT smoke out front of the office without him saying something about not.

(sigh) tho' I have more sike records than anyone on the block, I believe in the revolution, and I bike everywhere...I am not a hippie. I have my clothes tailored, can't grow a beard, and I bathe...oh yeah, and I don't smoke the wacky.

Doesn't a degree from Oberlin count one as a hippie, too?

Um...if I remember correctly nipps, you only shower twice a week. That is definitely borderline hippie behavior.

Wow, this is a great example of Josh turning a story about something else into a story about Josh. Josh, the Me Decade is over.

But tailored clothes, that redeems all. Hippies can MAKE their own clothes, but no one would ever apply the word "tailoring" to the results. Sike records have little to do with hippie either. Hippies are much more likely to be listening to plodding jams, Bob Marley, or Janis Joplin. Watch out for knitted caps too; they're not a guarantee but a troublesome sign.

Geeze. What a bunch of hippie-come-latelies. Doods, if you were born after about 1957, you can't really be hippies - you'd just be trying to recreate the _real_ existence.

On the other had, I sure wish I'd had such good weed back then.

making fun of hippies is fun. They have hairy armpits dripping pachouli, and only eat tofu cheese. As soon as the last hippie is forced out of Seattle, we can become a world class city. I've lived here six years so I'm a native now.

Praise the Lord hippies did their thing in the 60's and 70's, otherwise this entire country might still be stuck in a sordid outtake from Leave it to Beaver.

In fact, The Stranger itself is a product of the counter-culture revolution.

So while it's amusing to poke fun at non-bathing pseudo-hippies of today, let's remember that most of us owe at least a small part of our progressive identity to the freaks and queers of yesteryear. Let's also remember that dirty layabouts aren't actually hippies, they're losers with a lame excuse.

The cultural contributions of 60s hippies have been enormously overstated. A few OK rock albums, that's about it.

nipper, you're smokin' a blunt w/me. a dust blunt.

The Beats, not The Hippies. Seattle progressive culture has more to thank from The Beats... european style coffee houses, espresso, beer, weed, first person narratives written while on coffee, beer and weed... though hippies did give us Gas Works Parks and the Woodland Park trails... but since if you drink enough of beer and smoke enough weed even The String Cheese Incident sounds like music its all good.

Making fun of hippies is so over. After the 768th hippy joke on South Park, it's time to move on.

Hippies gave us weed, acid, the Rainbow Gathering, and Grateful Dead shows.

The hippies transformed the Pacific Northwest. (Just a note, but The Beats owe their influence to the sheer size and receptiveness of the boomer population bubble in which you can find the hippies. Had Allen Ginsburg been selling them to the Flapper generation, well.) In terms of their cultural/political influence Seattle has felt it. In 1950, Seattle was an orderly company town populated by fishermen and engineers with a well defined blue light district on the waterfront. It was about to replace Pioneer Square and The Public Market and other aspect of funky, dirty history with Jet Age Progress. By the mid-1960s, boomer's who smoked a lot of pot, listened to rambling music with a San Francisco style, and didn't want to go to Asia to die for a made up reason began to discover various forms of civil protest. In Seattle they protected the Quad on the University of Washington, where the school was going to rip up the bricks and cut down the cherry trees, they protected the Public Market and Pioneer Square, and then proceeded to spend twenty-years perfecting marijuana horticulture such that BC Bud is our northerly neighbor's largest cash cop. The counterculture also gave to an alternative economy that has transformed a few Seattle neighborhoods, such as Wallingford, Queen Ann, and Fremont, gave raise to a wave of independent bookstores such as the Elliott Bay Book Company. It also created an urban space on Capitol Hill that reveled in the fact that it was a home for "freaks" (a positive word in the late 60s) and the alternative press such as The Helix, then Seattle Weekly, The Stranger (and now what?) have a direct line into the activity of The Hippies.

However if it is difficult to give this generation their due. Because of the self-congratulations that seems built into any statement made by someone born between 1944-1857. (Check out Walt Crowley's interesting but nonetheless totally self-mythologizing memoirbastion, Rites of Passage: A Memoir of the Sixties in Seattle.) Or the ossified signifiers of hippie culture that their children/grandchildren sometimes wear: tie-dye, crystals, rainbow crap, sandals, etc.

But for The Seattle Weekly to decry hippies is for them to deny their intrinsic nature. It is akin to City Lights in San Francisco pretending to be a Barnes & Noble. (Instead City Lights in a rich mix of self-exploitation and a cunning cultural pragmatism presents itself as one of the essential centers of "The Beat Movement," a movement far more constructed and carefully devised then the activities of The Hippies.]

And for Josh Feit to draw the logical conclusion that The Stranger if the Seattle Weekly doesn't want it, take it.

-- a hippie-american

Pachouli rank armpits and tofu farts are gross. Seattle doesn't need hippies. The Stranger HATES HIPPIES. We do not want you, move to Portland.

grandpa winter: Ok. but nobody cares.

Hippies are washable. And even Seattleites produce unsavory smells: milk and espresso breath, IPA sweat, bicyclist under-arm-reek, and it is Seattle rather than Portland that has urine scented sidewalks due to our hostility to the homeless. Before the hippies, Seattle had Boeing. After the hippies, Seattle had Microsoft.

Peace and Love, a hippie-american

History doesn't care either. But your concerns have nothing to do with history.

I agree that it is kind of pathetic, though, to see people in their sixties clinging to their own youth culture. Where does it place you if you are saying don't trust anyone over thirty and you are sixty?

Notheless, the youth culture documented by writers such as F. Scott Fitzgerald, Raymond Mungo, Douglas Coupland that operates with a sense of history and purpose as a result of these previous movements continues to operate today.

As an old person, then, do I operate in reaction to / in opposition to youth culture? The Nazis, after all, were a Youth Movement. And we have in the U.S. now a sizeable youth conservative youth movement.

I am for retaining, even as an old person, many of the vital aspects of radical youth culture.

History doesn't care either. But your concerns have nothing to do with history.

I agree that it is kind of pathetic, though, to see people in their sixties clinging to their own youth culture. Where does it place you if you are saying don't trust anyone over thirty and you are sixty?

Notheless, the youth culture documented by writers such as F. Scott Fitzgerald, Raymond Mungo, Douglas Coupland that operates with a sense of history and purpose as a result of these previous movements continues to operate today.

As an old person, then, do I operate in reaction to / in opposition to youth culture? The Nazis, after all, were a Youth Movement. And we have in the U.S. now a sizeable youth conservative youth movement.

I am for retaining, even as an old person, many of the vital aspects of radical youth culture.

New to seattle and really like the hospitality! People here respect diversity, even the hippie, and like people other than the Jones'[thanks alot it makes me think Mr. Washington would be proud]