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Monday, July 31, 2006

Jamie Pedersen

Posted by on July 31 at 10:51 AM

On Slog last week Annie Wagner wrote that we were having 43rd District Candidate Jamie Pedersen back for a second round of endorsement interviews because we felt sorry for him.

There’s no argument—Pedersen is a drip. But as Stranger Election Control Board member David Schmader pointed out, yesterday (the day the rotten WA Supreme Court gay marriage decision was handed down) was Pedersen’s “sad day,” both for personal and professional reasons. Certain members of our board suffered sympathy pangs.

While it’s true Pedersen didn’t seem to be in fighting form during our meeting—he barely used half his allotted time for a final statement—I want to set the record straight about something. As I said to my fellow Election Control Board members after the candidates cleared out of our conference room last Wednesday, I was leaning toward endorsing Pedersen—not just having him back, but endorsing him—because of the Washington State Supreme Court’s decision on same-sex marriage.

Yes, yes: I slapped at Pedersen on Slog—and slapped at him hard—when his campaign volunteers were running around implying that Pedersen was the only candidate in the race who supported marriage equality. Everyone running in the 43rd supports marriage equality—they don’t have a choice. Pedersen and his supporters maintained that he was the obvious choice for voters who viewed marriage equality as their top issue, as Pedersen has worked on marriage equality for ten years now.

That argument didn’t move me—and I was even less impressed with the argument that Pedersen, as the only gay candidate in the race, had a right to the “gay seat” in the state legislature. It seemed perverse, if I may use that word, for gay and lesbians to run around arguing that the five other candidates in the race should be discriminated against based on sexual orientation.

But that was then.

I expected the WA Supremes to rule against us—and I said so on Slog—but I didn’t expect their ruling to be such an affront. The ruling was staggeringly dishonest and thoroughly chickenshited. The Supremes found that the legislature had a “rationale basis” for discriminating against same-sex couples (it somehow encourages heterosexual sex and procreation); they found that gays and lesbians were too politically powerful to be considered a suspect class (getting an anti-discimination bill passed after three decades of struggle was somehow evidence of our political power and proof that we didn’t need the courts to protect our civil rights); and they found that homosexuality was not necessarily an “immutable characteristic,” which is #1 on the religious right’s list of anti-gay talking points.

Then, after all that, the justices had the nerve to beg the legislature to grant same-sex couples all rights that the court itself was too cowardly to grant us.

Sitting in my office, reading through the decision, the case for sending Pedersen to Olympia became more compelling.

Like I said to my editorial accomplices last week, the WA Supreme Court smacked down same-sex marriage, abandoning its responsibility to protect minority rights, and punted this issue to the legislature. Regardless of Pedersen’s shortcomings as a candidate (and all of the candidates have shortcomings—as do all of the members of the Election Control Board), sending Pedersen to Olympia now would be a symbolic act of defiance. The voters in the 43rd would be not just be flipping off the Supreme Court by sending Pedersen to Olympia, we would also be sending this message to the legislature: “This issue is not going to go away.”

Opponents of same-sex marriage also oppose civil unions, gay rights laws, adoptions by same-sex couples—and on and on. They essentially oppose the very existence of gay people, but since they can’t eradicate us they’ll settle for stamping out gay visibility. They want us to cease loving each other, go back in the closet, marry opposite-sex partners, and drink ourselves to death—you know, like in the 1950s, the good old days.

When the haters win one—when they pass an anti-gay marriage amendment or defeat a gay rights bill or extract a favorable ruling from a court—they believe they’ve come one step closer to shoving us all back in the closet. So when they win one—and they won a big one last week—it’s important for us to shove back, to make sure they understand that this issue is not going away because we are not going to go away.

The Washington State Supreme Court handed opponents of marriage equality a huge symbolic victory last week. Voters in the 43rd can counter that symbolic victory with a symbolic gesture of defiance—that is, sending Pedersen to Olympia.

Anyway, that’s what I argued after our meeting with the 43rd District candidates last Wednesday. I believe I said, “If I had to vote today, I’d vote for Pedersen.” So that’s why we’re having him back—we’re really considering him, not just feeling sorry for him—and we may yet endorse Jamie Pedersen. If that happens, I wonder who will be more shocked: Me or Pedersen?

UPDATE: I intend to ask Pedersen why the decision isn’t being appealed, however. Alexander seemed awfully unsure of himself in our meeting with him, not to mention being incapable of defending his ruling, and anxious to see it appealed (probably just a dodge to shut us up, but we won’t know until we appeal.) Jamie says he’s a fighter for gay marriage—so why aren’t we fighting to the bitter end, Jamie?


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I think you mean "NOT going to go away".

Now, let's just say, Jamie's a nice guy. Dropped by on Saturday to doorbell my house in Fremont.

But this "myth" of a "gay seat" in the 43rd is just that - a myth. Heck, we already have the prior inhabitant of the House seat going to the Senate, so it's not like we'll have less "representation", not even counting all the closeted gay Republicans in the House, but the out Dems as well.

And any rep from the 43rd always carries the mission to make sure legislation on such issues goes forward - heck, just ask our other rep, Speaker Frank Chopp.

Now, let's choose someone who can actually get legislation thru the House, someone like Dick Kelley, Stephanie Pure, or Bill Sherman.

Because the election is in the primary here - if you're not a Dem, you ain't getting thru the General election, and everyone knows it.

Exactly, Dan. Sympathy pangs.

So if the SuperCourt went the other way, you'd be happy with anyone else for the 43rd?

So Jamie Pederson really is the "gay" candidate, and that's all that matters, eh?

Thanks, Dan, for helping me finally settle on which one of the decent lefty liberals running for state House in the 43rd to support. Let's send Pedersen as a way not to fill a "gay seat," but to say we reject the WA Supremes' decision and will not forget civil rights protections and marriage equality. Heck, Pedersen was one of the legal team, so the message is clear.

No second class families! Now--where can I get a yard sign for Blondie?

I have supported Jamie from the beginning because I believe he will be an effective lawmaker by finding common ground with the other legislators and the Governor.
One of his strengths is finding common ground and consensus to keep moving forward to eventual resolution.
On the marriage issue, he obviously knows this backward (Masdsen) and forward (Bridge).

Enough about the candidates, have you seen Bill Sherman's Campaign Manager? He's hottttttttt! I guess we know where all the cute guys are...

Not pangs for Pedersen, Annie, but anger for what done to us last week.

In light of the double standard upheld against our families, it seems perfectly reasonable to hold heteros to a double standard when it comes to discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Given any two candidates, one hetero one homo, all other things being equal, I will choose the homo.

Heteros can scream bloody hypocrisy all they want. I'll reexamine my own double standard when the state stops treating heteros preferentially. Until then, it's a simple matter of gay affirmative action.

Making legislative decisions out of anger is bad news. How much crappy legislation (and legislators) do we have because people voted as a result of a horrible incident or situation? We have to think of the big picture here.

Dan provides a perfect illustration of how, when people feel threatened, they retreat into identity politics. Two weeks ago Dan thought of himself as too urbane to send a gay candidate to the legislature just because the candidate is gay. Now he wants to do precisely that.

It happened in Israel, Yugoslavia, Iraq, etc. And it never works out well.

Dan,

I know that our first reaction is to send Jamie because he's the gay guy, he was on the case, and we're going to try to push pro-marriage legislation through.

But, let's step back and analyze this a bit, on different levels.

First: The gay marriage bill will take years to work through the legislature. Really, it will. It won't happen this year, probably not next year either. Even though we have a majority in the legislature, we still couldn't get the anti-discrimination bill passed for a long time, and that argument that conservatives and moderates used to vote against it-- that gay marriage was coming next-- has turned out to be.. true. It will take lots of time, and in the meantime, we'll need someone to make OTHER effective policy. Sending someone to work just on this issue would be foolish and naive-- the gay marriage issue will be only 5% of what this representative will have to work toward in Olympia. In that point, we need someone who will be effective on LOTS of issues.

Second: Though the WA Supreme Court upheld DOMA, the opinions of the majority practically handed us a way around all of their bullshit logic-- they made the argument about protecting families. It doesn't take a genius to see how bogus this argument is-- gays getting married in no way affects the ability of straight people to get married and the justices know that. They have essentially handed us our issue on a platter-- prove that ALL families need to be protected, write new legislation, get it upheld.
That being said, wouldn't it be more powerful of a message if we had someone who HAS A FAMILY giving the message? Politics is not only about what is right, its about what is effective. In our current political climate, with most of our Democratic state Senators and Reps coming from moderate districts, wouldn't it be more powerful of a message to see a married, family man standing up and saying "I support equal rights for all families-- not just families like mine-- because its the right thing to do and it protects all of our children under the law" ?
There will have to be powerful coalition building in the legislature in order to make this work-- we need people who can work with those on the other side to bring them into the fold-- and someone who can help hold those who are in the middle.
Like you said, all the candidates are pro-gay marriage. We need someone who makes the most effective messenger. If someone who has nothing to gain personally from an issue can stand up and be a uniter-- working between our existing gay contingent in the leg and the family-oriented Dems and moderate Republicans to push this through. Everyone will expect the gay guy to vote for it. No one will expect a straight guy-- someone like Bill Sherman-- to come out swinging.
As someone who has vowed to fight for families, he'd make a great messenger.

Third: do you forget all of the other things about Jamie? He's backed by developers, he's "a drip", and he was trying to tell all of us we should vote for him just because he's gay before all of this ever happened.

The Seattle Times endorsed Dubya in 2000 based up a single issue. Will The Stranger do the same in the 43rd in 2006? I hope not.

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=41680

Let's not forget about The Stranger's question of a few weeks ago:
Ask Jamie why he was against taking the gay marriage issue to court before he was in favor of it?

Come on guys-- you put this out there. Answer the question. Hiding behind identity politics is a lame excuse, and like David said above, it rarely works out well.

I wonder how many people voted for Madsen because she was a woman (the 43rd Dems even ENDORSED HER)and just got screwed by her. Well done, identity politics.

Good point, Doug. Although the Times also endorsed Bush in 2000, not just the Stranger.

Voting out of anger rarely works. Think about your vote, and then make sure someone other than Madsen gets endorsed and elected. Now THAT is revenge.

Note: I voted for Madsen. I regret my vote.

If the endorsement comes down to a single legal issue wouldn't it be better to send a former Judge like Jim Street or a Prosecutor like Bill Sherman? Wouldn't they be better at making the case?

"Good point, Doug. Although the Times also endorsed Bush in 2000, not just the Stranger."

???

Huh. The Stranger didn't endorse George Bush in 2000. The all-powerful Stranger endorsement in the presidential race went to Al Gore.

Appeal? You mean appeal the Washington Supreme Court's decision to the U.S. Supreme Court? Generally, you can only appeal if the plaintiffs raised issues of federal law. I know the New York plaintiffs deliberately limited their complaint to state law issues because they figured raising federal law issues would be a lose-lose situation. The best chance for pro-marriage equality jurisprudence comes from liberal state supreme courts. If the U.S. Supreme Court were to grant cert to review a same sex marriage case, it would almost certainly rule against us and create bad precedent that could take a long time to overcome. So, there's no benefit and possible harm by appealing a losing state supreme court case. However, if we had at the state level, the state could appeal the victory and have it overturned by the Supremes. So, its best to just keep Scalia's hands off this issue for as long as possible.

Oops... I didn't see Dan's previous post on filing a motion to reconsider, not an appeal, so nevermind my above comment.

I can't decide if this is an example of knee-jerk overreaction/retraction or of the wisdom of "strong opinions, weakly held" [bobsutton]

If you're now a single-issue voter, as Zander says, the question is: who will be most effective working as a LEGISLATOR to get the ban overturned?

The question is not who has been a judge, lawyer, prosecutor, etc--unless you just want symbolic representation, in which case you it would be unfair for you to expect actual results.

"Looking for people who are LIKE you rather than who share your political values as allies runs the risk of sidelining critical political analysis of complex social locations and ghettoizing members of social groups as the only persons capable of making or understanding claims to justice."

Taken from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy,
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/identity-politics/

Also, read "Don't Think of an Elephant", especially the sections where Dr. Lakoff, one of the country's leading messaging and framing gurus, talks about identifying bridge values and messages in order to be effective. In this case, focusing on a message and a messenger that can connect different communities together for a common goal.

I think we meant the Primary endorsement. As I recall, the stranger said something about "getting an extremist like Bush as the GOP nominee would result in a Dem being elected".

Or maybe I'm misusering my superduperpower of prognosticamation, right Dan?

Hmmm, I always have to reserve a healthy skepticism for predictable cries of "identity" and "single issue" politics. "Liberal" was effectively rebranded, too. Reductive reasoning is no one's friend.

The Civil Rights movement, particularly in the decade of my birth, stands as the quintessential example of what political self determination can accomplish.

"Identity" and "single issue" are almost always intended as political insults, and seldom contribute any useful analysis of a phenomenon.

I did suggest that it would be better for Gore to face Bush in the general election over McCain, because Gore would beat Bush. Which is exactly what happened—Gore beat Bush. I didn't forsee—did anyone?—that Bush would steal the election with an assist from the Supreme Court.

Electing Jamie is NOT playing identity politics. He's MUCH more than the "gay guy." Have any of you see what he's done in such a short lifetime as a lawyer? The guy's a freaking genious. Inspiring, Clintoesque? No. But smart, and hardworking. And those are great reasons to elect him.

Smart and hardworking are characteristics that I think would describe anyone in this race, 43rd voter, though some more than others.

Inspiring and Clintonesque are what makes a politician worth listening to. It doesn't matter how smart and hardworking they are if no one wants to listen to them speak, right?

And let's not forget who bankrolls Pederson's campaign-- he'd like you to think he's going to be all about the gay thing, but then lets look at some of his contributors: Vulcan, Windermere, and more PG&E lawyers than you can shake a stick at. I wonder what his secondary agenda would be-- spit and wallpaper condos downtown, anyone? Give me a break! He's a weasel!

43rd Voter: No one has claimed that electing Jamie is necessarily identity politics. Electing Jamie for the reason that Dan suggests is classic identity politics.

I guess Dan's right. The Blonde Weasel gets my Gay Pity Vote.

I'm glad you listened to reason, Napo XIV.

Dan,
Ah, so you'll comment to Napo XIV, but not to any of the REST of us who are trying to engage you in a little thoughtful political debate?

No response to any of the anti-identity politics posts?

Please stop with the single-issue endorsements. It makes you look petty and ignorant, even though you're not.

Pedersen is a hype job who's gonna spend his way to the front of the 43rd District queue. Beyond the gay rights issue (an issue the other candidates certainly agree with you on), what does Jamie bring to the table?

Not much. Think this over.

Oh, and Dan, thanks for admitting that, it's much appreciated.

But I'd concentrate more on the courts.

OT: 36th Dist. Dems (Ballard/Queen Anne/ Magnolia/etc) meet with Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Gerry Alexander at the Northwest Senior Center, 5429 - 32nd Ave NW, 7pm.

http://www.soapblox.net/36thdems/showDiary.do?diaryId=95

There are probably quite a few voters in the 43rd that feel just as Dan does after the courts decision. I think the other candidates would be wise to take this issue and run with it. A clear promise to do (I believe as the dissenting oppinion suggested) and take this to the legislature. If they had the votes to pass the non-discrimination bill, there should be hope that the legislature can do what the court didn't have the courage to, right?

Anyway i am an undecided in the 43rd (flip a coin!) but i will be drawn to the candidate that really promises to take a strong lead on this issue, whether it's Pedersen or not. I am not concerned about being labled a "one issue" voter. I strongly believe MY district should take the lead on this (as it always has). I am proud to be fromm the district that sent Murry to Olympia and i would like to see that tradition continue.

It all depends on a motion to reconsider being brought before the court. Time is ticking away.

RE:OT: 36th Dist. Dems (Ballard/Queen Anne/ Magnolia/etc) meet with Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Gerry Alexander at the Northwest Senior Center, 5429 - 32nd Ave NW, 7pm.

This happens tomorrow, btw.

Uh, Dan, we elect representatives in the 43rd, not symbols.

I don't know about you, N in Seattle, but I elect cymbals.

We don't do rimshots here, SKGee--this is *santorum* country!

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