Greg's underwater tunnel looks worse and worse the more we look at it.

Did they mention if you choose the tunnel we get to pay tolls and if you choose the elevated viaduct there are no tolls? Plus, we Seattle taxpayers don't have to pay ten times what the Seattle Monorail Green Line would have cost for a vanity project for Downtown Developers.

Honestly it is bizarre to see the glee on the faces of the anti-tunnel crowd because of the Big Dig fiasco. The only thing that could make you happier is if there were fatalities!

there were fatalaties. don't you read the news?

then again, at least they found out before even more people were hit on the head.

good thing they're not in a major subduction earthquake region that's going to have to deal with increased sea levels ...

LOL, ECB. Just had to slip some of that propaganda in there, didn't you? I guess, since the story quotes the ringleader, you didn't have MUCH of a choice, so huzzah.

This 'blow to the urban dream' does not dispel the rebuild, however.

Oh, puh-leeze. You're acting like tunnels are inherently more dangerous than ticking bombs. There are THOUSANDS of tunnels all over the world, and obvious contractor shenanigans in Boston have ZERO implications for other tunnels elsewhere.

The tunnel proposal for the viaduct is a sucking idea for a number of reasons, but the Boston disaster isn't one of them.

There's about as much connection between the Big Dig disaster and our proposed waterfront tunnel as there is between the 9/11 attacks and your average American citizen of Arab descent. This is the kind of argument that, when you see a sophisticated person make it, you know they don't believe it themselves; they're just trying to prey on less sophisticated people's emotions. But really, I am not surprised by any depth to which Cary Moon will stoop.

She brushes aside the incredible unpopularity of her surface-route proposal at the same time that she insists that the voters get the chance to shoot down the tunnel.

She engages in some real sophistry by arguing that, if we can go without a highway during the construction phase, we can do without it period. By that standard, we would never build any infrastructure.

I propose we have a new award, the Ralph Nader Prize, which we give to self-righteous, delusional grandstanders who, in the name of making the world more progressive, end up doing just the opposite.

And by the way, I am saying the above not just as a transit supporter, but as someone who firmly believes that automobile-dependent development is the greatest evil in America today. In fact, it is the root of all sorts of evils in America.

This is why I consider what Cary Moon is doing so shameful. She's supposed to be one of the good guys, and she should know better.

Maybe when the new, wider viaduct gets christened the Nick Licata Expressway, we can at least name an off-ramp in Cary's honor.

Cary is a chest thumping self serving opportunist. Her behavior doesn't surprise me in the slightest. She has decided she knows better than everyone in the world and no one can tell her different.

I am vehemently opposed to the proposed AWV tunnel, but the Big Dig collapse is a result of a specific problems with a specific project, and is not an indictment of tunnels in general.

On the other hand, if you want to discuss the fact that the Big Dig went WAY over budget, that Parsons Brinkerhoff was the Big Dig contractor and is also the prime contractor on the AWV tunnel project, that much of the cost of the AWV tunnel is being deferred (see the "Core Project" they are now trying to sell to voters - even as they plan to do the whole thing), and that Nickels' tunnel is almost certain to go similarly over budget, then we can talk....