There's no point in me telling you guys what sexes the partners were. What was important was that they managed to do this, quite emotionally, while succinct avoiding the use of the word "God" by deciding to write their own vows to each other, only to be revealed at the final ceremony.

The fact thst is took this long for me to see a marriage that finally simulated what "marriage should be all about" is really telling on how trivialized marriage has become in the Western world.

There are marriages that work, obviously. But so many people are raping the institution via stories like Dan quotes above, that I can't really be bothered to get too upset about the WA court decision anymore. It's like crying about a court decision favoring certain preservatives over others in Cheez Whiz.

Marriage, despite the good examples thereof, has run its course.

The court made a decision based on specious assumptions about procreation and the needs of children. It is very sad to see that they are so out of touch.

However, Andrea Yates experiences debilitating psychosis as a result of prolonged and untreated post-partum depression. The jury's decision is a VICTORY for mental health advocates and to rebuke the underhanded lies used to convict her in the first trial. It is fundamentally wrong for the State to execute anyone and doubly so when the person was a minor at the time the crime was perpetrated, severely mentally ill, or otherwise mentally disabled.

Still, to use Andrea Yates in this argument is spurious and Godwin-esque. She did not develop PPD and PPP until AFTER she was married and had kids. To truck her into this argument is idiotic and demeans all the work done over the last 20 years to understand what causes PPD and PPP and how to treat it. These women end up being perfectly suitable mothers. But no, this is yet another case of letting breeders with unknown mental health problems at the time of marriage breed.

I can think of a hundred stereotypes you can use in this argument against the idiocy of the majority decision, but Andrea Yates isn't one of them, and I'd appreciate Dan pulling this one back. Surely you can go dig up some crack whore or incestuous father.

I do these “Every Child Deserves a Mother and Father” posts from time to time to demonstrate just how insulting and baseless these arguments are. That a child has parents that are married and of the opposite sex does not guarantee that the child has fit parents or that the child is safe.

Personally, I'm in favor of having only gay men (as couples) raising children so that there is no postpartum issue.

If I recall correctly; Dan, you have a child don't you? Have you ever had postpartum depression? Ever thought about killing your own child?

Just wait until s/he is a teenager... : )

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/278053_babyfound19.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1650094/posts

The thing is, Dan, that Andrea Yates demonstrated psychosis before she became pregnant with her youngest child. Her husband and doctor both knew it and did nothing to help her. Andrea Yates is as much a victim of the patriarchal power-structure that says all women should have kids and love it as homosexual couples who are told that they are unfit parents.

It's clear as day...

Bombing other countries is WRONG.
So is denying individuals access to social structures that strengthen relationships and communities.

No marriage, no sex, no abortions, no thought, no debate, no scientific research: that's the Xtian Taliban.
Let's take 'em out.

who's on Board?

Here's what you can do. Send thousands of LGBT people up to our US/CAN border on the same day and jam it up by trying to cross all at once into Canada to get married in a public park right beside the border (we'll provide the gay priests). Organize that and we'll try to get a thousand or more from up here to meet you on the otherside, or maybe we will try to cross into USA to come pick you up and tie up the border on our side. This mass protest will make national news and tie up the border for a day. If we do this on Labour Day it will have a dramatic effect.

Here's what you can do. Send thousands of LGBT people up to our US/CAN border on the same day and jam it up by trying to cross all at once into Canada to get married in a public park right beside the border (we'll provide the gay priests). Organize that and we'll try to get a thousand or more from up here to meet you on the otherside, or maybe we will try to cross into USA to come pick you up and tie up the border on our side. This mass protest will make national news and tie up the border for a day. If we do this on Labour Day it will have a dramatic effect.