But he cut his throat - doesn't that count for something?

and btw - this crime has everything to do with Meth and nothing to do with Pot. Take that, Indy Star.

One thing not mentioned in the article is the fact that she got a restraining order against him yesterday morning. Fucking lot of good that did.

I guess they will say this illustrates the evils of divorce...

Due to anti-gun liberals, this guy could only stab his children. If he had a gun, he could have shot and killed them both, sparing the one child from a lifetime of scars and injury.

There are loving parents that would never harm their children like this under any circumstance, whether gay or straight. There are people that should never have children at all, whether they are gay or straight. I don't think it is productive to the cause to point out extreme happening like this. It is very sad that people have to go through these kinds of things.

There are loving parents that would never harm their children like this under any circumstance, whether they are gay or straight. There are people that should never have children at all, whether they are gay or straight. I don't think it is productive to the equal rights cause to point out extreme happening like this to make a point. It is very sad that innocent children go through these kinds of things. Very sad indeed.

Damn right it's productive to the equal rights cause, when the president and thousands of voters keep touting the mysterious-magic combination of man + woman = sublime childrearing. It's a fiction that stymies gay unions and gay adoption...Extreme happenings like this are tragic but they also give the lie to the ever-ideal of heterosexual parenting. Sad truth.

I bring this up, Very Sad, because Rs and religious conservatives insist that any male/female parenting team is, by it's very composition, superior to any same-sex parenting team.

And you know what? There are stories in the papers constantly about heterosexual parents abusing or murdering their children, and I've never seen one about a same-sex couple abusing or murdering their children. Why is that? Because same-sex couiples, unlike hetero couples, don't have children by accident. You can't get drunk and adopt one night. Most hetero parents who accidentally become parents rise to the challenge and do a great job of it—but a signifigant number do not, and they fail their kids. Often same-sex couples adopt kids that have been abused or abandoned by straight parents. And we have to listen to Rs talk about m/f couples like they are all dipped in moonlight and rolled in stardust. It ain't necessarily so.

Unfortunately as most women in these situations find out- A restraining order is a PIECE OF PAPER. It will not stop bullets, knifes, or even hands around her or her childs neck. It is a sad state of affairs for all humans- gay or straight.

I totally agree with you, Dan.

I'd rather not be the one that spreads this around; I was sad to see this article the other day.

http://uk.247gay.com/article.cfm?section=66&id=9457

it was bound to happen sooner or later. gay people can be fucked up parents too, sadly.

Ack. Thanks for linking to that, GBM. I'm usually careful to qualify my statements about gay parents abusing kids—previously I've stated that it will happen inevitably, because some gay people are monsters. I shouldn't have been so categorical in my quickly dashed off comment.

As for the assholes in the UK, I hope they are sent to prison for ever and ever—just like I hope the Enrique Fabregas, the straight foster parent accused of molesting several girls placed in his care in Washignton state, is sent away for ever and ever if he is found to be guilty of the crimes he’s accused of.

As more and more gay people become parents, it’s inevitable that a number will prove to be unfit to parent. Still, as becoming parents is a more difficult process for same-sex couples (file under “duh�), I believe that abuse will be less common in same-sex headed households—not because we’re morally superior, but because same-sex couples are not burdened with unwanted children.

But in the case that GBM brings up, these men managed to become approved foster parents and then abused the children that were placed in their care, so even “wanted children� can be wanted for the wrong reasons. (I recall a case of a straight couple in Washington who adopted an older child, took out a life insurance policy on him, and then murdered the child—they “wanted� that child too.) Any couple that seeks to adopt or foster parent invites scrutiny from the state and adoption agencies—and rightly so. I’m all for making sure that all adopting couples and all foster parents, gay or straight, are vetted and that follow-up visitations make damn sure that no abuse is taking place. And adoptive couples and foster parents are subject to that kind of scrutiny and follow-up visitations. It’s too bad the same doesn’t happen to straight couples who have their own biological children.

Wait wait wait... GBM, the two things are different... they allegedly did these things and for me... I need more evidence because this is all very circumstantial. My mom has a sick sense of humor and liked to try taking pics of me in the bathtub during puberty (bitch), but she was not sexually abusing me.

But the argument doesn't stand because I have not heard of gay parents killing their kids. Sorry.

Also, you KNOW that is what hets (and WE think about ourselves via beautiful internalized heterosexism) think we do, would do to children anyway.

Color me suspect.

interesting comments