Slog - Comments on Blocking Gay Rights http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights Ken Hutcherson just called to say he's going to start collecting signatures in January to repeal the gay civil rights bill. Of the Eyman fiasco, the Seahawk-turned-preacher used a sports metaphor, and said: "Eyman was the the quarterback, and we sent the quarterback out to do the blocking. That was a mistake. Now, we're going to send the linebackers out, and we're going to hit hard." What Hutcherson means is this: He says the churches got in on R-65 late in the game, and still quickly collected 75,000 signatures (by his estimate). He reasons that if the church activists take... Copyright 2007 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:44:39 -0800 Thu, 06 Jul 2006 06:02:23 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by ESPN Linebackers don't block. So the new strategy when illustrated by the football metaphor is no better than when the quarterback was blocking.

What's more, linebackers often chase and tackle tight ends.

]]> ESPN http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c379687 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c379687 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:22:21 -0800 Comment by Dan Savage Josh... if the gays had linked the civil rights bill to marriage, and Eyman had gotten his signatures... wouldn't you be griping about what a bad idea that was?

]]> Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c379691 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c379691 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:25:37 -0800 Comment by Smear the bastard It's time to launch an all out investigative inquiry into Pastor Ken. Dig up the dirt - there's got to be disgruntled ex-members out there. What about his finances? Any women he screwed when he was a football player?

I mean it - something nasty full on undicsclosed sources and all that crap that people eat up. It's got to have both sex and money to keep people's attention, but that shouldn't be hard to do.

Expose the guy for the sleazeball he is, and maybe his retarded flock will wake up. They'll still sign the petition, of course, because that's what retards do, but let's show him not to mess with the normal people. If he wants to lead his goofballs around by the nose and tell them fairy tales, that's fine, but the rest of us don't want his crap.

The conservatives have played dirty for years. It's time to fight fire with fire.

]]> Smear the bastard http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c379737 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c379737 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:48:25 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Do you think he can send a few hundred thousand copies to my Church of the Immaculate Shredder? On his dime?

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c379786 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c379786 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:11:51 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Oh, and Smear The Bastard is right.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c379790 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c379790 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:12:24 -0800 Comment by Josh Feit Dan,
The truth of the matter is: They are linked.
So, better to develop a strategy based on the truth than always having to talk around (and disingenuously about) the issue.
The choice to pretend they are not linked makes gay marriage activists look crafty and weird.
MLK linked it all...desegregation to voting to power...the trajectory was clear and honest.


]]> Josh Feit http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c379935 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c379935 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:11:51 -0800 Comment by kinaidos Linked does not mean identical. Of course those who advocate marriage believe it's a civil right. That doesn't mean everyone who advocates civil rights be extended to gays and lesbians believes that it is. Given that it's simply false to equate the two issues. It's also politically stupid.
I, for example, happen to believe that marriage is to tainted by religion to be worthwhile, and the civil unions are too tainted by marriage to be worthwhile. While I respect the choices of those who go that route (though in the minimal sense in which I'd also respect their choice carry on with goats and sheep), I'm not willing to fight for it, and I'd rather not endanger the rights I do care about by conflating the two.
If what you mean by insisting the two issues are related is that we need to have a political discussion about what the relationship is, where the consensus lies, etc. then fine. If what you mean is that those who advocate one automatically advocate the other, you've just got that wrong.

]]> kinaidos http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c380055 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c380055 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:51:01 -0800 Comment by Tired of Bible manipulators Frankly, I believe if gay rights and gay marriage should be illegal, then so should the some of the activities straight people engage in. Let' begin with adultry. Christians cheating on their spouses should be punished in a court of law. Those that lie should be treated just as harshly. Theft is already a crime, but only those caught are punished. Many of our criminals roam freely in the streets, never having to serve time and are allowed to neglect fines imposed. And what about that ever so famous couple?? You know them, the teacher who violated her young student and had 2 kids with him?? Mary Kay LeTourneou was allowed to marry her young victim, I guess because that was straight sex, we'll just look the other way. My how convenient the laws can be when we choose to manipulate certain segments of our taxpaying population. May all "Christians" remove every skeleton in their closet and repent their sins to those they have harmed. A quote I learned as a child, "It's better to remain silent, and be thought a fool; than it is to speak up and remove all doubt." Let's see what the ever so righteous Rev. has in his closet... NO ONE is that perfect.

]]> Tired of Bible manipulators http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c380638 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c380638 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:10:58 -0800 Comment by Geni What I find truly ironic about Reverend Ken is that he's married to a woman of a different "race." (Yes, yes, I know, biologically speaking, humans don't actually have races.) Even 40 years ago, such a marriage was illegal in 27 states. And the arguments against "interracial" marriage were EXACTLY the same arguments you hear against gay marriage today - it's agin the Bible, it's agin Nature, it'll lead to some sort of deterioration in "traditional" marriage, etc., ad nauseum.

]]> Geni http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c380681 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/06/blocking_gay_rights#c380681 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:03:57 -0800 Comment by Cool site www.tut.by

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