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Wednesday, May 24, 2006

Jamie Pedersen’s Dirty Punch

Posted by on May 24 at 7:00 AM

On Sunday I went to the U-District Street Fair, where I was approached by four of Jamie Pedersen’s volunteers. Pedersen is one of the six candidates running in the 43rd District to fill Ed Murray’s seat in the Washington State House of Representatives. From my post on Sunday:

We hadn’t taken three steps on the Ave before we had what looked like a petition on a clipboard thrust at us. The young volunteer, looking so very earnest, asked us if we supported marriage equality…. She was asking us to hand our names, mailing addresses, email addresses, and phone numbers over to Jamie Pedersen… We had the same clipboards thrust at us four more times by Pedersen volunteers, each making the same appeal—”Do you support marriage equality?”—as we made our way up the Ave. Hm. Interesting—and dishonest.

When I asked one of Pedersen’s volunteers if any of Jamie’s opponents were against marriage equality, she said she didn’t know for sure—”but probably not,” she added. When I asked why she was out there trying to create the impression that the other candidates in the race were opponents of marriage equality, she said, “To get your attention!” Well, it worked.

And in my post on Sunday, I had a couple of questions for Pedersen:

Uh, Jamie? Don’t you think that’s dishonest? Don’t all the candidates running to fill Murray’s seat—Stephanie Pure, Dick Kelley, Lynne Dodson, Bill Sherman, et all—support marriage equality?

Before we get to Pedersen’s answers (and a surprise phone call from a national gay VIP), let’s hear from some of the other candidates in the 43rd District race, all of whom—surprise!—support marriage equality for same-sex couples:

Dick Kelley: “I am completely in favor of equal marriage rights for everyone. In early 2004 when it was not commonly being proposed as active proposal, we were just trying to block Bush’s constitutional amendment. I used my column in the 43rd district newspaper to write in favor of equal marriage rights and sponsored a platform planks in both 43rd and state party meetings. I don’t believe in compromising on things that are basic human rights. The sort of thing you have to go to the wall for.”

Bill Sherman: “I support full marriage equality.”

Lynn Dodson: “I support full marriage equality for same sex couples. I would push for full marriage equality [if the Washington State Supreme Court punts to the issue to the legislature]. Civil Unions are a half way step. It’s not equality. It’s a second tier.”

Stephanie Pure: “I am fully supporitive of marriage equality, and I am unequivocal on that. If elected I would take the lead on fighting for that.”

And before we get to Pedersen’s answers, let’s hear from a reader: In the comments thread attached to my original post Alex came to Pedersen’s defense…

Jamie Pedersen may very well be a weasel (though i'm not convinced of that), but at least he is bringing the issue up. A lot of Democrats may personally be for marriage equality, but not that many will outwardly talk about it....

I'm for talking about the issues—marriage equality and others. But I'm against one Dem candidate attempting to misrepresent, by innuendo, the positions of a half a dozen other Dem candidates. Pedersen is not the only candidate in the 43rd who supports marriage equality. By instructing his volunteers to tell people that they should support him if they support marriage equality, Pedersen implies that supporting any of the other candidates in this race is as good as not supporting marriage equality. That's dishonest. It is, as I said on Sunday, a weasel move.

And that was clearly the Pedersen campaign's intent: Again, I was approached by four different volunteers, all using the exact same come-on. Support marriage equality? Support Pedersen.

Okay, here's Jamie's response...

I read your post on The Stranger's Slog this morning and wanted to respond.

First, all of the volunteers were in t-shirts that said "Elect Jamie Pedersen." I think it was obvious to people who stopped that the volunteers were involved with my campaign.

Second, as with most of the issues in a race in the 43rd, the question is rarely about whether someone supports or opposes a particular position. Instead, it is about priorities. Each of the six candidates has different reasons for running. And each has highlighted priorities to work on if elected. I have been working on marriage equality for over 10 years now. It is the most important reason I am running for the legislature and if I am elected, working to achieve (or protect) marriage equality would be among my highest priorities.

For that reason, I think it's not unfair to suggest that if winning marriage equality is a high priority for someone, that they should consider supporting me.

Jamie

First: Yes, it was obvious who your volunteers were working for—but that doesn't negate my point, Jamie, it helps to make my point. Folks working for you were running around attempting to create the impression that, of all the folks running in this race, you are the only candidate who supports marriage equality. When someone tells you, "If you're for marriage equality, you have to support Jamie!”, as one of your volunteers told me, that communicates, loudly and clearly, that the other men and women in the race don't support marriage equality. It doesn't imply that the other candidates don't support marriage equality as much or as passionately as you do, Jamie, but that they don't support marriage equality at all.

Second: Your work on marriage equality is appreciated. But your volunteers were not telling people that of all the pro-marriage-equality candidates running in 43rd, Jamie Pedersen is, like, the pro-marriage-equality-ist. Your volunteers' rehearsed pitch wasn't about backing the candidate who would prioritize marriage equality once he got to Olympia, but backing the candidate who would support marriage equality when he got to Olympia. Period. Since all the candidates in your race support marriage equality, your volunteers were creating—your volunteers were encouraged to create, they were coached to create—a false impression about the other candidates in the race, all of whom seem to have identical positions on marriage equality.

It was a cheap shot, Jamie, and more than a tad dishonest—and I'm not the only one who felt the pitch misrepresented your opponents' positions on marriage equality. Don't believe me? Ask your opponents how they feel about your pitch. I suggest you start with Lynn Dodson, who felt it necessary to send out a press release on Monday morning clarifying her position on marriage equality. (Hey, she's for it! Who knew?)

While I feel it the pitch you or your campaign managers encouraged your volunteers to make was deceitful, Jamie, I don't feel it was outside the bounds of rough-and-tumble political discourse. But you got called on it, and you shouldn't be a whinny ass baby about being called on it.

Which brings us to a strange phone call I got yesterday morning. My cell phone rang while I was checking out the male models milling around the Macy's shoot at Online Coffee Company, and guess who was on the line? Why, a big gay muckety-muck, a gay VIP, a national leader of the GLBT movement. And why was he calling? To reassure me that Jamie Pedersen is an ethical guy who would never, ever tell a lie.

I happen to be fond of this particular GLBT leader—he's effective, I respect him, and we're on friendly terms—but his call was from left fucking field. (I'm leaving his name out of this post at his request; he called on his own behalf and not on behalf of the organization he heads.) I mean, like, wow! I write a short Slog post about a local homo candidate and two days later national GLBT leaders are calling to spank me? Of course your buddy denied he called to spank me ("You should be so lucky,” he said), Jamie, he stated he was only calling to vouch for you and to make sure there was no ill will between us.

For the record, there is no ill will between us—and there won't be, Jamie, provided that your volunteers stop misrepresenting, by implication and innuendo, your opponents positions on marriage equality—and provided you stop acting like butter wouldn't melt in your butt, Pedersen. Man up and admit that you threw a dirty punch, got called on it, and refrain from throwing the same dirty punch in the future. Oh, you can still throw dirty punches—hell, we're looking forward to them—but you're going to need to throw less obvious, less easily blocked dirty punches if you want voters to regard you as a smart and savvy politician. And if you're called on any other low blows or cheap shots, you might not want to call in big national guns to defend you—not unless you really want folks to think you're a whinny ass baby.

And finally the bright side. Jamie Pedersen's dirty punch did, as the Alex points out, bring the marriage equality issue up. In response all the other candidates running in the 43rd were compelled to forcefully state their positions on marriage equality. Whoever winds up winning, each candidate has now committed to making marriage equality a priority. And I can guess we can thank Pedersen for that.


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Dan...way to make a MOUNTAIN out of a molehill.

Dan isn't the one who called in the feds.

And it seems to matter to the others in the 43rd district race.

But it is a remarkably loooooong post. And no pictures of hot boys, which is unlike a Savage post.

I had the same experience at the street fair with Pederson's volunteers and in no way came off with the impression that he was the ONLY candidate suporting full marriage equality. Although only two of them approched me, so maybe those last two pushed you over the line.

More like making a mountain out of, well, nothing.

TO TROLLING POLITICOS:

Tatoo this on your wrist:
but you’re going to need to throw less obvious, less easily blocked dirty punches if you want voters to regard you as a smart and savvy politician. And if you’re called on any other low blows or cheap shots, you might not want to call in big national guns to defend you


As they say in the movies, the audience is listening...

Dan you should encourage your readers to VOTE (too many can't be bothered) and learn about the issues from the candidates and their volunteers.

Your post is petty.

Now that we've got the thorny issue of marriage equality out of the way, how do the 43rd candidates come down on Motherhood and Social Justice?

Dan,

I agree with the other posts: A statement supporting marriage equality does not imply exclusivity, which is the crux of you argument against Pedersen. Then you berate her for taking the position that you assigned her. This is the definition of a straw man. I think you owe her an apology.

Dan - nice you are not giving Street the free ride Eli's earlier profile seemed to be. But you forget to mention one of the candidates who has fought hardest for civil rights and equality, Jim Street. I assume it's because you consider him the front runner and want to prop up the underdogs, which is admirable, but people really should check out the candidate who will be the most effective representative, and who will not just be for gay rights, but effectively fight for them. Jim is also not a single issue candidate like Jamie Pedersen, he like Ed Murray, has a much broader base of issues. Check him out http://www.myspace.com/jim_street

that first sentence should read "nice you are not giving PEDERSEN a free ride". Sorry for the typo, shouldn't brush my teeth and try to think at the same time.

Dan: I like the post. It is petty, if it is considered petty to do your duty to shine a light on political canidates. I find nothing wrong with that version of "petty" in politics or life. I read. I vote. I am savvy. I like political discourse. I notice talking points and have my own "petty" litmus/smell test.


Yo, Jaime: great, 10 years of experience on ONE ISSUE. Big Whoop. I know how you will vote on one issue. What about the other issues important to me. Quick, think fast, how are you getting my vote?

ooppss, just lost interest.

Dan, you're being a weasel yourself. You've yet to acknowledge that Pederson has been a leader on the gay marriage issue in this state for over ten years. A leader, not a mere "supporter" like most if not all of the other candidates. In this field of candidates, only Pederson has shown longtime leadership and commitment to same-sex civil marriage. He does not stand as an equal with the other candidates, but above them, and it was perfectly fair for him to pitch his marriage credentials as a fact that distinguishes him from other candidates, even candidates who "support" same-sex civil marriage or who promise to "push" the marriage issue if elected. In your original post you ought to have acknowedged Pederson's credentials on this issue rather than purposefully giving your readers the distinct impression that Pederson is indistinquishable from the other candidates on this issue. "Weasel journalism" is what I call it.

yo, does pederson have a bio or a election campaing webpage .. so I can learn for myself his credentials? from the comments it seems that he probably had every right to push his marriage credentials, but I'd like to know more and all google tells me is that slog wrote about him several times... and he's a lawyer. that's about it.

so please someone educate me with some links to this guy.

Dan, you're really making a BIG deal out of nothing. Jamie Pederson was not on the Ave stating "I'm the only Democrat in the 43rd for marriage equality". It's fine to call politicos and candidates to task, but you're acting like he's committed some terrible political crime. Jamie is out there trying to do something good for the gay community, while all you do to make a difference is snipe and bitch about supposed "cheap shots" and "dirty punches". Talk about being a "whiney ass baby".

I agree that this is mountain/ molehill. I don't think that Jamie has been "more than a tad dishonest." There are any number of issues where these candidates formally agree but will also claim that they are uniquely positioned to push them once elected. In fact, that seems to be the general message of all the candidates in this race.

The phone call about Jamie was weird, though. Probably the idea of some dumbshit campaign consultant.

If you google "Jamie Pedersen" you'll get this:
http://www.peopleforpedersen.org/

howe come the only signs I see in the whole district are for Dick Kelley and Bill Sherman. And I know that Dick Kelley, Bill Sherman, and Stephanie Pure have all worked at making sure the county and state Dems support marriage equality, so exactly how did this turn into a swing issue? Is it like the neocons fake gay marriage issue to keep their supporters fearful and voting for them?

oh, and how come noone has a hard hitting round robin on important district issues like transit (same bus service as in 1989 for in-city travel), viaduct, SR-520 bridge, light rail, and my fave, cute bunnies and kittens and puppies.

Bunny lovers everywhere need to know about that one ... after all, with Woodland Park in the district, it's a critical issue, and all the puppies at the dog run are panting to know about it ....

Fair point about whether candidates are actually making an issue out of marriage equality. So instead of asking them to respond to a question from Dan Savage, let's look at what they have posted on their web page.

Lynne Dodson:
I strongly support full marriage equality for same-sex couples. My union was one of the first to sign on to the labor friend-of-the-court brief in the Andersen/ Castle marriage equality case before the state supreme court.

Dick Kelley:
As Chair of the 43rd District Democrats for the last 4 years, Dick used his monthly column to advocate for choice, abortion clinic access and, in early 2004, for equal marriage rights for gay and lesbian couples

Stephanie Pure:
NOTHING on her web page about marriage equality

Bill Sherman:
I'll fight for vigorous enforcement of these hard-earned rights, and for full marriage equality.

Jim Street:
NOTHING on his web page about marriage equality.

So - Lynne Dodson, Dick Kelley and Bill Sherman are all making this a priority issue; Stephanie Pure and Jim Street are willing to tell Dan Savage how they feel, but haven't put it out to the general publc on their web page.

Wow, a SECOND post on this issue? Seems "more than a tad bit" EXCESSIVE.

To respond to an earlier post, here's the link to Pedersen's site where he lays out his other credentials:
http://peopleforpedersen.org/

You also take great liberty in assuming that Jamie directed all of your negative experiences. I find it much more likely that people involved with the campaign were so impressed by Jamie's marriage equality credentials that they decided to talk up the issue.

Go back to doing what you do best: focusing on the ISSUES. This, most certainly, is not an issue at all.

after viewing Pederson's campaign page, it is plain to see that dan is being a whiney-ass baby.

"OMG he's been working so hard for marriage equality and gay rights. Now he wants to use those credentials in his campaign!!?? HOW DARE HE!!!"

mountain out of nothing.

Jamie Pederson is the most active gay rights advocate running. So if you are a voter who reacts to specific issues, and that issue happens to be marriage equality, you would want to know who to vote for. Pederson has campaign volunteers make it clear that he is the choice for you. This all makes 100% sense.

Dan throwing a fit does not. Oh wait, never mind ;)

Not to detract from Pedersen's work on this issue, but it does inform this current discussion to point out that he and Dan have not always seen eye-to-eye on the strategy surrounding the marriage equality issue...particularly on the their approach to the very case that Pedersen eventually helped litigate before the state supreme court.


Read the story here..


Ryan: Bingo.

Jamie Pedersen is such a hypocrite.
During the gay marriage trial before the State Supreme Court, Jamie was quoted in an AP article on the politicization of the gay marriage issue by the courts, saying:

"It's the classic seepage of politics into the process," Pedersen says. "They'll see the controversy and some will worry about re-election, and that's a shame."

Is Pedersen not doing the exact same thing-- seeping his politics into the issue-- by using gay marriage as his sole political qualification and by implying that he owns the issue?

Get real Jamie. You're a one-issue candidate and you'll be marginalized and ineffective in the State House.

So if we can infer from the Times article (link in Ryan's post above) that Dan may have a long-standing disagreement with Pedersen, and then uses his position as a journalist to trash said candidate using a VERY flimsy excuse, that Dan is involved in throwing "dirty punches" and being a "weasel". Good work, Dan. Way to report on the issues.

yall are way off. is pederson's people were just saying that he is WAY for gay marriage, then that is great. but they weren't. they were strongly implying that he was the ONLY condidate for gay marriage. this is clearly what they were suggesting. this is very dishonest. and since he saw it multiple times, it seems likely that this was an order from the top.

Dan: Mountain out of a Molehill.

How about commenting on the real story here?

What bizarro world is the 43rd District, when ALL of the candidates with a chance of winning an election are fighting to proclaim to constituents their SUPPORT for marriage equality? :-)

Dan, you said one of Pedersen's volunteers stated that they weren't sure but that they believed the other candidates were not against marriage equality. This means that not only was your initial impression wrong, but upon follow up the base question (is Pedersen saying the others are against marriage equality) was answered. It seems amazing that you made the assertion that you were being misled. I think the only dirty punch being thrown here is by you, and its unfortunate because it takes away from what should be discussed. This is more than a one issue race and it shouldn't be that the "gay guy" gets elected just because he's gay and his viewpoint is known on just one issue.
I find it difficult to believe that someone could get elected out of the 43rd that wasn't in full support of some sort of equality on civil rights. I'd like to know why The Stranger doesn't focus on the issues that actually divide the candidates. That would make for much more interesting reading.

This was a petty AND unprofessional post, coming from the editor of the Stranger. Clearly showing an ax to grind. If a campaigner was stating that he was focusing on, say, transportation issues... it in no way implies that his opponents aren't. I would get the impression that it was the candisates major platform.
I guess we know already who the Stranger ISN'T endorsing.

this is comical to me.
there is this presumption in the pro-pedersen camp that somehow he (jamie) is the next messiah on gay marriage. HELLO!?! we have 4 openly gay legislators in Olympia who have been busting their asses to educate, swing votes, lay groundwork, etc. not to mention a whole community of activists and pro-LGBT leaders who have spent YEARS working this issue...nice way to discount those efforts. the first gay marriage bill was introduced in 1996 - by none other than the person vacating this now-open seat - Ed Murray. so simmer down pro-pedersen defenders...the ground work has already been laid...and you don't get to own an issue thats been worked for years prior to your coming onto the scene.

"What bizarro world is the 43rd District, when ALL of the candidates with a chance of winning an election are fighting to proclaim to constituents their SUPPORT for marriage equality?"

Why, Michael, it's the Fighting 43rd! Heck, I can't even think of any candidates who haven't supported it here, at least in my more than 10 years living in the district. I think even some of the greens and repubs who run here have backed it.

Los Barbaros, the issue is not that everyone here thinks Pedersen is god's gift to gay marriage in this state. The issue is that Dan Savage chose to use the blog of the paper he edits to smear a political candidate. I am not voting for Pedersen and have no problem with journalists drawing attention to important political and campaign issues. However, Dan's pedantic ranting and childish name-calling seem to be based on 1) some sort of underlying disagreement with Pedersen or 2) lunacy. Either way, it's poor journalism.

Whoa - where do find Dan "smearing" Pedersen? Smearing, in my book, would be more like, "Pedersen's a goat-fucker" or "Pedersen's an evangelical Christian." Dan was just relating an experience he had with campaign volunteers who implied Pedersen's the only candidate who supports marriage equality.

Let's see... from the title,
"Jamie Pedersen's Dirty Punch".
to:
"Way to be a weasel, Pederson."
"It was a cheap shot, Jamie..."
"..you shouldn’t be a whinny (sic) ass baby about being called on it"
"...stop acting like butter wouldn’t melt in your butt, Pedersen"
"...if you're called on any other low blows or cheap shots, you might not want to call in big national guns to defend you—not unless you really want folks to think you're a whinny (again, sic) ass baby."
Dan's ranting goes beyond "just relating an experience he had with campaign volunteers who implied Pedersen's the only candidate who supports marriage equality." He sounds like a raving lunatic.

Wow, look at people go after Dan Savage.

I actually agree basically with what Dan is saying: Jamie's volunteers are playing up the notion that Pederson is THE only candidate who supports marriage equality, which is deliberately misleading, especially given his fellow candidates also share his stance on the issue. The approach of the volunteers gives the impression that only Jamie Pederson feels this way, and that's dishonest.

Have your volunteers emphasize other issues or multiple issues. Don't use false advertising to hook passers-by.

And perhaps I am.

But I don't think sole run-in with Pedersen disqualifies me from slamming him over this—or writing about him. I have a history with a lot of folks we write about--hello, Richard Conlin! Kollin Min and I got into it at an endorsement meeting over pot and I-75, and I spent months slamming him.

I suppose that the slimy, untrue things Pedersen said to the Seattle Times about me and my family way, way, way back when would incline me to view him as a bit of a weasel. But it doesn’t help his case when he acts like a weasel.

As for the Stranger's endorsements: Those aren't entirely up to me, folks. If they were Richard Conlin would never have have been endorsed by the Stranger—I think he's pond scum. If Conlin could get our endorsement, Pedersen could.

Good grief, Jamie is simply out there getting very deserved attention for himself(he has led in litigating the question, after all) on an essential issue in a very, very crowded race, and so Savage chooses to savage the race's ONLY openly gay candidate? I get the message that Savage, too, is for marriage equality. What he is obviously not for is legislative equality, or any more than 3% of the House being openly gay, as Ed Murray's departure could drop openly gay membership in a 98 member House from 4 to 3. THAT matters to ME! What's next, Savage berating Dick Kelly for making it too apparent that he is the most boring candidate, thereby depriving the other candidates of the imprimatur (deserved in a few cases) of being boring, too? Savage should have accepted his spanking from the national VIP with an appreciate squeal of joy and repented!

Whoops—Gomez jumped in there before my post went up. I meant, "And perhaps I am a bit of a lunatic." I've never denied it.

And one other thing: If I wanted to make a mountain out of this, I would have made it the newslead, put it in the paper, and flagged it on the cover. I didn't do that—I wrote a blog post about it. And aren't blogs supposed to be given over to the odd rant?

Oh, and we ran a very favorable piece on Pedersen in our news section a few weeks ago—so favorable that Pedersen has been handing it out and the other candidates in the 43rd bitched about it when it came out. If I was out to get Pedersen, that story wouldn't have seen the light of day in my paper. I am the editor, ja know, and I have the power to kill pieces.

So someone at the Stranger likes Pedersen. It isn't me, and I don't see how Pedersen could expect me to care for much for him.

Oh, and I didn't write the Pedersen/Sherman box on the Last Day's page in this week's paper. Just want to get that out there.

Oh, and when I slammed Pat Thib in a post before she pulled out her senate race against her challenger Ed Murray, I was accused of being biased in Ed's favor because he's gay like me. I slam Pedersen, and Dave accuses me of being insufficiently gay-supportive.

La la la. I’m going to stop looking at this thread now. I’ve got to go stick some pins in my Pedersen doll.

Well, I was going to ask Dan a question but he won't take his fingers out of his ears. =/

Gentlemen / Ladies: Remember one thing: "Politics is the art of the possible." Criticizing Jamie's volunteers for their pro-gay-marriage pragmatism on the hustings establishes an initial talking point. Pedersen has many strong points, not the least being his efforts and accomplishments in the area of establishing the legality of gay civil unions. But as many of us realize, being gay is not a 24-hour-a-day occupation. The viaduct isn't gay, nor is homelessness. Editors editorialize because it's their divine right. But occasionally it would be refreshing for a newspaper of record to report the news rather than to make it. Pins in dolls, indeed. Even Westbrook Pegler was kinder to Eleanor Roosevelt than that (you could google them now).

Dan's got every right to make this an issue. And it's good he is, because no matter what, this race shouldn't be just about gay marriage (something I am very, very supportive of).

If Pedersen and his supporters want to imply gay marriage will only be fought for by him, they are nothing short of deceptive and should be called on it. It is telling of where Pedersen's campaign is that he is making desperate noise about this one issue. The 43rd needs a representative who, like Ed Murray, can run on and effectively work on a broad array of issues. Pedersen is looking like a one trick pony and his campaign is not getting traction. Even though he has raised the most money, Street, Sherman, and Kelly seem to be the front runners.

I cannot believe I am doing this but here goes nothing. Let me state my bias upfront: I am a long time friend of Jamie's - as in since we were kids. Not only that, but I am NOT in favor of gay marriage and do NOT agree with Jamie on many (most?) political issues. I do not live in his district but probably would not vote for him even if I did. But you know what? Jamie is an honest ethical person and I have never seen anything other then that from him. I cannot confirm or deny what his supporters did or said to Dan. I have not spoken about this with Jamie and he does not know I am writing. I only found out about it from (cringe) the Times. But I DO know Jamie and I know he is an honest guy. Now I can go back to ignoring the Stranger and Dan as usual.

This annoyed the shit out of me:

Dan you should encourage your readers to VOTE (too many can't be bothered) and learn about the issues from the candidates and their volunteers.

Your post is petty.

Yeah, people should be encouraged to vote, and The Stranger's generally very good about getting out the vote. And it would just be a wonderful gumdrop candyriffic world if everybody took the time to go to the source and grill local candidates on the issue.

But that's what investigative journalism is for, dipshit - we should all employ critical thought, but the truth is that not all of us have the time or energy to spare. That's why we have these things called newspapers, see - and there are these people who work at them called reporters, or journalists. They're paid, ostensibly, to seek out nuggets of truth both large and small, and bring them to our attention. If you're so annoyed by the idea, why the fuck are you reading an online newspaper's blog in the first place?

And as for the people who are calling this a mountain-from-molehill, I have two things to say: First, gay rights issues are at the core of any 43rd-district campaign that has a prayer of succeeding. No, it shouldn't be the only issue discussed, but given 43rd-district culture, the legacy of Ed Murray as a progressive, and the limited chances we have to send an effective gay-rights campaigner to Olympia, it shouldn't surprise you that this is a big deal. Hell, you should be praising The Stranger for it -- you think any other Seattle paper will give two quick shits? And my second point is for those of you who are calling Dan out for being crass and using petty language. Well, I happen to agree with you. Dan does seem to have a tendancy to get away from the point in his writing when he punches up the "weasel" and "whinny ass baby" talk. Dan, you deserve a spanking.

I've gotta say, though, that while smack-talk isn't particularly persuasive for people who disagree with the smack-talker's point of view, it makes things a helluva lot more fun for everyone else.

Fuckityfuck, quick clarification - I wasn't calling the original commenter petty; that sentence was part of the original comment and should also have been italicized.

Speaking of campaign tricks what are the Pedersen groupies up to with disingenuous comments about continuing “the legacy of Ed Murray as a progressive, and the limited chances we have to send an effective gay-rights campaigner to Olympia”
We will have a gay legislator elected from the 43rd district this fall who has and will be a leader in the fight for marriage equality. His name is Ed Murray and he is running for the far more important 43rd district seat, the state senate.
And surprise Pedersen groupies there are THREE GAY LEGISLATORS still in the house with years or seniority and experience, including one from Seattle, Joe McDermott! So Pedersen groupies why aren’t you helping Joe, he has been there for we should be there for him.

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