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Tuesday, May 23, 2006

For the Wonks

Posted by on May 23 at 17:05 PM

John Norquist, head of the Congress for the New Urbanism (recently in the news because of its controversial plan to redevelop Biloxi, Mississippi) spoke last night at Town Hall as part of a series of events to promote tearing down urban highways, including the Alaskan Way Viaduct. (Speakers also included Town Hall’s David Brewster, the Discovery Institute’s Bruce Agnew, and others, but since my crush on Norquist has already been well-documented, I’ll stick to talking about his speech.)

There’s a longer story, which also focuses on the Washington State Department of Transportation’s (WSDOT) series of viaduct open houses, coming out in tomorrow’s paper, but for now, here are a few excerpts from Norquist’s highly entertaining comments:

• On French architect Le Corbusier’s high-rise “City of Tomorrow,” which inspired the “urban renewal” program in America, with its disastrous high-rise housing projects: “All the pedestrians have been removed. The only purpose of the street is the movement of traffic. It becomes a utility line.”

• On the ever-growing width of arterial streets in the United States: “Traffic engineers back in the 1920s designed streets … with 50 feet of pavement and six-and-a-half or seven feet of sidewalk. But now [a 72-foot-wide street] is the standard. … There’s no money left for sidewalks, so people walk in the gutter. This is the choice that Americans make: They can either ride in a car or be a criminal suspect.”

• On freeway-building in the mid-20th century, which devastated many poor and minority neighborhoods: “This is the black community in Milwaukee in 1906”a thriving, though down-at-the heels, urban neighborhood. “This is the way it looked after it was ‘improved’ by [the US Department of Transportation]”a six-lane freeway lined with sound walls, which Norquist called “the only surviving technology of the East German republic.”

• On freeways vs. streets for reducing congestion (a timely topic, since the no-rebuild viaduct replacement option would push some viaduct traffic onto city streets): “”From a congestion standpoint, the complexity of a wetland absorbs water, so it slows down flooding… The same thing is true of the street grid. The complexity of the network absorbs [traffic] flooding and gives people the chance to use their brains and pick [different] routes.” In Houston, freeways ”were specifically designed to move traffic out of the city… When the bombs would launch you’d get out of town just in time as the mushroom cloud blew up over Houston.” But during last year’s Hurricane Rita, those very roads “failed when we needed them the most.”

Norquist’s vision of a highway-free waterfront hasn’t gained much traction at WSDOT, which remains intent on providing plenty of room for every single one of the 110,000 cars that currently use the viaduct daily. However, some have speculated that the no-highway option may win out even if it doesn’t make it onto a November ballot (currently, the council is leaning toward putting just two options, an elevated replacement and Nickels’s multibillion-dollar tunnel), because so much of the money for both of those options (between $500 million and $2.1 billion) remains unsecured. The no-highway option, which would improve surface street connections and pay for some improvements to I-5 and transit) is estimated at just $800 million.


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Yeah, regardless of what's on the ballot, doing nothing is always an option in this city.

I'm not sure I even have an opinion on this any more. I'll probably never own a car again as long as I live here.

Erica,
Let's get down to the important stuff.
What's your take on Norquist reception by the Council?

Which surface street corridors are supposed to miraculously improve by virtue of removing and not replacing the viaduct commuter option?

The two make a similar presentation at a Council Brownbag today. It was pretty impressive. You can see it here:

http://www.seattlechannel.org/videos/video.asp?ID=2070601

Wonks Heart ECB!

Tear the damn thing down already. Concentrate on fixing the seawall and replacing 520. That's where the money needs to go. People who have to drive will always find a way, and no one's going to leave Seattle if we don't rebuild it.

Now, if the seawall fails, or 520 experiences an unplanned closure of several months, then we'll be really screwed.

Like Thehim, I will probably never own a car in this city myself, unless it's completely alterna-powered and I have a place to park it... which for me is like saying 'unless I have a million dollars'.

Let's all remember that this was a biased presentation, slanted in a particular direction, and try not to report what is stated here as absolute, undeniable, unbiased fact.

One reason the surface street option has such a bad name is the sorry state of traffic planning around here.

I live in the city and take surface streets everywhere - and am constantly amazed at how many non-synchronized red lights I am forced to stop at.

Plus the roads are narrow and full of potholes.

Who are the traffic engineers around here? Are they just trying to frustrate us in hopes we'll eventually raise their budget?

Part of the problem is that we need to grow up and accept that we are a "big city" and that some formerly pseudo-residential streets (most of which are on the north end) are now thoroughfares, and should be treated as such. That means NO PARKING on them, selected condemnation to widen intersections, and changes in zoning to encourage commercial development on those streets.

Before anyone's heads come to a point, let me remind you that this would be a great thing for transit as well. If we are going to have density, we need to have the surface infrastructure to support it.

Out of curiousity, which pseudo-residential streets are you talking about, Catalina Vel-DuRay? And if you're encouraging commercial development on these streets after you took away parking, are you re-zoning to allow strip malls?

if they took out the parking lanes and used them for HOV/bus only, we probably could make do fairly easily, would be my guess.

won't happen though, with big spender Greg wanting to spend ten times the cost of the monorail on his underwater tunnel.

Mostly the east-west arterials that tie to the I-5 ramps. And nope, no strips malls. Just something appropriate for busy streets. After all, it's not an either/or proposition.

I know this means removing single-family housing stock, but again - density needs infrastructure to move people. This is going to happen eventually, particularly given the increased density we're already seeing in Ballard.

The north end was originally laid out with the idea of people heading downtown, and doesn't allow for easy east-west access. As work centers decentralize and grow on the eastside (which I'm not crazy about, but I don't run the zoo), it's going to become worse.

And that's yet another reason why we need to focus on the 520 issue. Anyone who remembers the whole I-90 bridge expansion will realize how screwed we will be if we were to lose 520.

I don't see how removing the viaduct would be a GREAT thing for transit.

Every commuter express bus between downtown and West Seattle, which is 1/5 of the city, drives on the viaduct. Permanently relocating all those routes to surface streets would add at least half an hour to the commute time on a regular weekday, and 1-3 hours when there's an afternoon or early evening Mariners game.

Some key points about the Streets+Transit option...

If the Tunnel gets built there will be NO entrance or exit in Downtown. So all those buses to/from West Seattle will have to come by street anyway.

During the YEARS of construction of a tunnel or elevated replacement, most traffic is planned to be routed to 4th Ave.

So WSDOT will build a new off-ramp to 4th Ave from the Spokane Street Viaduct, create bus-only lanes into Downtown, and divert most (if not all) traffic onto the street grid.

If we're going to spend the money on street and transit improvements ANYway, and get used to it for at LEAST four years (maybe up to 11), then why not just go all the way and actually plan for good, efficient street and transit improvements and NOT replace the Viaduct?

good points, I'd say a minimum of 6.5 to 10.5 years, based on their own projections, with close to total gridlock.

i still don't mind the elevated viaduct, but the surface plus transit option looks mighty tempting!

Traffic Planning?

The reason our traffic situation is so poor isn't just the fault of the "traffic planners". If you travel in any part of Lesser Seattle, you will find significant portions of major roads closed or so poorly maintained they should be closed. Is it even possible to go more than 5 miles on a freeway in this area without seeing a "project" in progress, surrounded by thousands of those ubiquitous orange barrels?

The real problem is that the planned projects never go as planned, leaving many lanes of road unusable for long periods of time. We've never really had a "full" grid, so we really don't know what our true capacity is.

And the reason these projects go well over their time & cost budgets? Local leaders simply refuse to acknowledge the existence of certain shadowy organizations that control the paving & concrete industries in every major city in the world. (wink, wink)
Look at the two giant boondoggle sports stadia, and where they went over budget. Safeco Field had major cracks in the main concourse, before the first game was even played! The football stadium has massive leak issues from low quality building materials that cost more than expected.

The evidence is all around us: shoddy work, poor materials, slow & over-budget public works projects. Are we going to continue with the illusion that the only mobsters in town are geriatric strip-club owners?! Will we ever have a mayor, police chief, or city attorney that will take on this threat?

I agree with Catalina - it's not so much the width of the street, as the fact that some which have become major thoroughfares still allow parking, even downtown.

Also every piddle sidestreet is still allowed to vent vehicles across, or at least onto the thoroughfare - instead of being closed off mid-block, forming a small car park to make up for the lost parking.

Sir Vic must be right too - construction costs around here seem to be a New Jersey levels.

Though given some recent experience with contractors, maybe it isn't the mob - just the inability of Seattleites to drive a hard bargain. Contractors know it, and figure hey - why shouldn't I charge whatever I like, and live the high life too?

Let's not forget that the surface streets here, unlike in many other cities, don't quite form a clean grid. Topography and poor initial planning have led to a maze of surface streets with dead ends, narrow passageways and dogleg intersections. Very few of our surface streets are true interneighborhood arterials. In other cities, row after row of streets continue unabated across town. If one street is clogged, commuters can use an adjacent street.

Here, if you're trying to get downtown, and I-5 and Aurora are clogged, you're essentially fucked unless you go well out of your way and take the crawl down Roosevelt or 15th NW, and that's all the options you have.

Seattle's layout dooms several options. If Seattle had extensive, comprehensive street grids like other cities, maybe we wouldn't need the viaduct. But, sadly, we kinda do. And that's the problem.

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