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Wednesday, April 5, 2006

The Monorail: An Outsider’s Perspective

Posted by on April 5 at 12:41 PM

Former Seattle Monorail Project employees are feeling vindicated by an article by Alex Marshall in this month’s Governing Magazine, which implicates Mayor Greg Nickels and other Seattle officials in the death of the monorail, arguing that if Nickels hadn’t viewed the voter-created project as an “alien entity” that arose outside the usual, accepted political channels, he could—and would—have worked to save it.

Marshall argues:

From the Big Dig in Boston to your average new cloverleaf, projects almost always have trouble at some point in making the numbers meet. Yet rather than help the monorail project leaders work out a new financing plan, Nickels and others sent a downsized version back for a fifth referendum — again hoping voters would kill it, which they did in the wake of misleading new cost figures.

He who lives by referendum, dies by referendum, I guess. But five referendums is at least three too many. Once voters approved a specific design and a financing plan, the city should have done everything it could to make it work.

Marshall is no fan of monorails—he calls them “expensive, ugly and impractical”—and he gets a few things wrong: you can call Dick Falkenbury lot of things, but “hippie cab driver” isn’t one of them, and the monorail was passed by an initiative, not a referendum. But Marshall does make a compelling case that democracy requires leaders to listen to the citizens the first (and second, and third, and fourth) time—not endlessly second-guess their decisions until the vote turns out the way they want.


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Amen!

Look—people can have their opinions of monorails (technology, aesthetics, etc), the green line route, the funding mechanisms, etc. and people are certainly justified in being upset with the final proposed financing plan that killed the whole thing. But…there were a LOT of thing we had to do to maintain tepid support from the mayor and some of the city council that added cost to the project and created PR challenges. And a project that had gone through the more traditional channels wouldn’t have faced those problems.

Maybe that’s an argument in favor of the traditional channels. Maybe it’s a testament to the power of the executive in this city (the few times he chooses to use it). But bottom line is, if the mayor had really supported the project…rather than the lip service he gave when it was politically beneficial, it would be under construction right now.

Now it’s time for him (and the city council) to step up and do the job they were elected to do. Show us you have the balls to drive through some meaningful transit projects.

Big expensive projects that take decades to finance are sometimes WORTH IT. I just got back from Sydney, Australia, which has a big, beautiful bridge that took 50 years to pay off, and a big, beautiful opera house, perhaps the most dramatic building in the world, which was nearly scuttled by small-minded Seattle-style thinking.

Oh, and they have a MONORAIL. And it's not ugly, it's beautiful. See for yourself:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fnarf/119713425/

So basically, Nickels and the other monorail opponents are BIG FAT LIARS.

The Monorail board and staff hung themselves. They put their own boxes around themselves. Blame Malarkey for bad projections and numbers, blame Horn for acting like a snake oil salesman rather then the director of a mega project, blame the board for being incompetent and blame the initiative writers for hamstringing the project. They are the ones who wrote the initiative in a way that they HAD to go back to the voters.

Saying the Mayor caused the death of the Monorail is like blaming the doctor who finally pulled the plug on Terry Schivo. Thank god the Mayor didn't allow us to wallow around in our Seattle Malaise being afraid to show leadership at a time when we needed it.

Maybe you all wanted to keep people hopes alive and wasting out money but everybody knew this thing was dead the day the financing plan came out. And shit, there is a lot of public record out there that shows where the train was headed. Many many people who were paying attention pointed out for quite some time that SMP could not do what it wanted to do for the money they had.

It so lame to say this is the Mayor's fault.

Such bullshit---

And incompetent board - some elected - cound not get a fiscal plan together that made sense...that worked.

To this day, I wonder what the hell they thought their role was if not to track the money.

One question - only one - they did not address with skill and expertise...........How much revenue do we have, and with that flow of money what can we build.????? Lord, such boobos.

Had they functioned to any degree, a scaled back line would have broken ground.

Blame the Mayor is stupid and silly. A bunch of emotional childres. I voted for this each time.... loved the idea. THE BOARD FUCKED SEATTLE OUT OF A MONORAIL.

it just doesn't make sense for a city to try to fund a mass transit system all by itself. i know the idea was born out frustration...but it was probaby doomed from the start.

The financing plan was workable. Tough, but workable. The alternative: nothing.

well, it didn't work, so i don't know if you can call it workable.

Don't be an idiot, Gene. It didn't get a chance to work.

Gene wrote: "it just doesn't make sense for a city to try to fund a mass transit system all by itself. i know the idea was born out frustration...but it was probaby doomed from the start."

With one big exception, when you get right down to it, isn't this what Sound Transit has been mandated to accomplish with its subarea equity package? Each subarea has to pay for its own segment; the initial line just happens to span segments.

Of course, the one big difference here is that Sound Transit sought federal funding for its initial line. The SMP should have at least attempted the same for its initial line, rather than using the initial line as collateral for federal funding for subsequent lines. Who knows if, or when, they would have gotten the funding, but at least they could have created that expectation.

Anyway, I agree with Marshall's point. Obviously, the SMP bumbled and bumbled and bumbled again. Yet, despite all that, if the city and the state had decided to contribute $300 million or so, the project could have had a reasonable financing plan.

$4 billion is a pretty large tag to consider 'workable'.

And whether or not you think him a 'hippie cab driver', Dick Falkenbury was at best a misinformed idealist who had enough charisma (or bait, depending on your perspective) to get people behind his idea, and there are many in the city who probably felt they made a huge mistake, fiscally and timewise, giving him and GC the time of day, given all the strife, time and money wasted for nothing.

As for the article, from what you quoted, your point fails to be made because of inaccuracices you even pointed out yourself. Since each vote was an initiative rather than a referendum, it was more of a grass roots movement among an isolated sect of the population than the city overwhelmingly backing a researched and soundly developed project.

$4 billion is CHEAP for what it would have bought. A usable mass transit system is the dream that every city pays lip service to but refuses to build. The only cities that have built grade-separated transit systems are in those parts of the world that are going to be kicking our ass in the 21st century while we sit around and bitch because it's not 1970 anymore.

The "isolated sect" was the monorail opponents, who finally figured out that the only way to defeat the thing was to pile on lie after lie after lie. "Blot out half the sky", what a load of bullshit.

The city killed it because they backed Sound Transit. Sound Transit is going to suck so hard and cost so much to operate for so little benefit that you're going to look fondly back on the chance to spend a mere $4 billion.

Just to be clear, I didn't say that it's the mayor's fault that the project failed. You'll note that I also didn't try to absolve the agency of all its sins. There are a host of reasons why the project failed. However, if the mayor wanted it to succeed, he could have made that happen. And I'm not even commenting on whether he was right to let it go down...just agreeing that the mayor could (and did) influence the project one way or another.


Gomez: the difference between an initiative and a referendum is not "a grass roots movement among an isolated sect of the population" compared to "the city overwhelmingly backing a researched and soundly developed project." An initiative allows citizens to propose new laws, whereas a referendum allows citizens to approve/reject laws created by the legislature.

FNARF, I disagree with you about the Monorial and about Sound Transit. The only place I do agree with you is othe fact that we need to collectively spend some money to get much needed transit infrastructure built! We should leave all this Monorail baiting behind. ECB threw out a pice of bloddy red meat for all us dogs and we jumped at it.

Monorail is dead and it ain't coming back. Sound Transit 2 is our next big chance. Seattle should work had to influence it and our elected officals who represent us on the board.

Get on the train that is moving! Light Rail works in Portland, it works in Vancouver BC (Skytrain IS lightrail technology), and lots of other places. let's make it work here too.

Get Over It--I totally agree that we need to focus on getting something (beyond Vulcan's street car) built. We really need the mayor and the city council to kick it into higher gear on this. They say transportation is one of the highest priorities? Show us, damn it.

Get over it wrote: "Monorail is dead and it ain't coming back. Sound Transit 2 is our next big chance. Seattle should work had to influence it and our elected officals who represent us on the board.

Get on the train that is moving! Light Rail works in Portland, it works in Vancouver BC (Skytrain IS lightrail technology), and lots of other places. let's make it work here too."

Fine, I've come to grips with the death of the monorail, now lets make sure that not only is light rail constructed, but extended all over the area to such places as west seattle, ballard, and the eastside so that it is truly a mass transit resource.

Marshal is correct. Look at the difference between light rail and the monorail. Both projects ended up being way more expensive than originally planned. Both projects ended up with much shorter routes than originally planned. The difference? Nickels and the local politicos WANTED the light rail, and did everything in their power to work through the (inevitable) problems and push it through. Nickels and most of the local politicos DID NOT want the monorail, and did everything they could to drag it down at every opportunity. And, surprise, they eventually succeeded in killing it. Had they sought solutions to the problems and backed it like they did light rail, the monorail would be under construction as we speak. Sure, the monorail had problems. Every huge civic project does. But if there is a will among political "leaders", they figure out solutions and make it happen, they don't shuffle it aside until it dies of neglect. Yes, members of the monorail board shoulder much of the blame for the monorail's failure. But you can not deny that Nickels is as much to blame.

It sorta works in Portland. And in Vancouver, it's grade-separated; it's in tunnels or overhead. That's not going to happen here. We're mostly going to get poky little trains in the middle of already over-confused streets. And only the streets of least resistance; it's never really going to go to the places it needs to go (like INSIDE THE TERMINAL at the airport).

But I agree, that's all we have left. I'm still pissed off about the monorail, though, and I always will be; this city blew its chance, forever. The focus is on ST now.
But what are we hearing about that system from the city? Nothing. The mayor and the council BOTH are utterly without a clue. Where's the action plan on incorporating rail into the viaduct replacement? Or utilizing the rights of way the monorail secured? Nothing, not a damn thing. They're just going to sell the land and stare at the wall. Streetcar, PSSSHHHT. It's garbage. Even the historical monorail is dead, probably never to run again. Waterfront streetcar? Never heard of it. It's embarrassing, it really is: a large, wealthy city with a population demonstrably ready for and committed to mass transit and a government with national recognition for its Kyoto lipservice: accomplishments, nothing.

Peter, Have you weighed in with the people who are deciding what projects should be on the ST2 list? The time is now. Make your voice heard!! Contact the ST Board and tell them your priorities.

http://www.soundtransit.org/about/board/members/

FNARF, Actually the lightrail leg being built right now is elevated in large sections, is underground for large sections and is at grade for large sections.

The "story" amounts to little more than a letter to the editor, devoid - like the Stranger's coverage was - of important, balancing details, not only of real costs to taxpayers but in dimension: that graceful mockup he saw in 2003 had turned into a horror-movie of a train by 2005 - heavy, squared, light-blocking, lane-swallowing, shadow-casting and view-blocking, to name a few changes. Reality and incompetence killed this dream, and the board on down should be ashamed.

Get Over It is right on.

The agency dug its own grave; not being true to the votters when they realized the numbers would not work.
The Mayor and the City Council did what they HAD to do after the SMP imploded.

Disgusting actions by the staff and board.

I voted YES on every monorail ballot measure except the last one.

Snapshot: I wasn’t on the board, and I wasn’t responsible for the finance problems. I sure as hell won’t be ashamed of working hard (harder than I’ve ever worked before) for something that I (and at the time the majority of voters) thought was in the city’s best interest. However, if you’d like, I’d be happy to pass on to the receptionist, office manager, IT staffers (all of whom worked plenty of extra hours for something we believed in) that we should be ashamed.

Get Over It: I’d like to see more focus on grade-separated transit in areas where it matters. Light rail isn’t as great when it has to stop at traffic lights and stop for emergency vehicles. I’m glad they’re running it through the tunnel, but if we ever get light rail running east-west, I’d like to see that built.

I think we all need to weigh in about what we’d like from ST2, but we really need our government and business leaders to start putting on the pressure to do this sooner, rather than later.

The contrast is that the mayor will pull out all the stops to make sure the money is there for his pet project, the tunnel replacement of the Alaskan Way Viaduct. When the same political will was needed to find alternative funding for the Monorail so that the long term cost wouldn't be so high the mayor was AWOL, despite 4 popular votes that he should have paid attention to. If for no other reason than that he should lose his job.

There ought to be a line running right down the middle of 45th, all the way from U Village to Ballard. There ought to be another one up about 85th all the way across town, connecting with Sand Point and Lake City Ways up to Bothell. There ought to be a line from Columbia City to West Seattle, that hits both the Junction and the Fauntleroy ferry. You should step out of the train into the main hall of the airport (none of this connector-bus bullshit). There ought to be a lot of things, but they will never happen.

FNARF--

Light Rail is going ALL THE WAY to the airport now. The connector bus is off the table.

FNARF -- I used to get a lot more upset about the transit situtation in this town. Then I got a bike. I am not saying we don't need transit here. I'm just saying I'm a lot happier relying on myself to get around town than waiting for anything to happen on the transit front. Even if we had real transit, I wouldn't take it much. I'd rather bike.

Do you get off IN the terminal? Or just near it? Carrying bags any distance at all negates the whole point of it. In countries where civilization has taken hold you step out the door of the train, and you're ALREADY STANDING RIGHT THERE. The ticketing desks are within view, in the same room you are in. Is ST going to do the same? Or is it going to drop you in some kind of hopeless multimodal facility way out beyond the parking garages?

Chill out, FNARF.

Fuck off, Gene. I mean that in the nicest possible way. Don't be telling me to chill out when you have no way of knowing how chill I may or may not be. It's condescending, and from the evidence of your posts, and the perception they suggest, you have very little to be condescending about.

Bikes don't work for a lot of people, and they're dangerous on commute routes.

FNRAF, the airport issue has nothering to do with Sound Transit. It has to do with 9/11 and Homeland Security. After that the rules changed about bringing fixed rail directly to the front door. You might think this is stupid but it's not ST's fault it's a federal standard that they have to comply with. If you don't like it you should write to the fed's.

Just because Homeland Security is stupid (and full to the brim with child molesters, apparently) doesn't let anyone else off the hook if they're stupid too.

I'm just incredibly frustrated that Seattle can't get its act together on transit or any other big issue. Everybody's got a million niggling little issues with everything, and everybody has to have their say, and nothing ever gets done, or done right. In the meantime, in the rest of the world, they're kicking our ass.

Our city is failing to meet the requirements of the 21st century. And it's not Homeland Security's fault. DHS's failings wouldn't matter if we could get a clue ourselves.

fnarf -- sorry dude but you're the one having a conniption because the light rail might drop you off a couple feet from the terminal. i know you don't value my opinion, and that's fine because to me you sound like a raving lunatic. you're hatin' on seattle so much, maybe you ought to consider moving before you have a stroke. things really aren't that awful here.

Bikes are great for what they are. But, they don't get you in the terminal, nor do they work if you've got a half hour to get from a meeting in the U-dist to downtown, followed by dinner in Ballard and music on the Hill. Which you could easily accomplish thru rail in any city worthy of the name.

Ditto FNARF's comments about the monorail's price tag being cheap...it's a flippin investment so you don't pay more later. Don't know what the Moscow (or Paris or London or New York or Boston) metros cost in today's rubles/francs/pounds/dollars, but it's gotta be in the double or even triple digit billions.

Not to mention the practically free labor those systems were built with. Any idea how many men died building the New York subway? I'd guess a thousand. Workplace safety costs money. I'll bet you're off by a factor of ten, in today's dollars. Think of the land costs, too.

gnossos -- i never said bikes were the only transportation needed. but i also don't think a lot of people need to run from the U District to downtown to Ballard to the Hill in a typical day. I've lived other places with excellent transit, and um, even there, people do generally try to have dinner in the same neighborhood where they are going out to a show afterwards.

How thoughtful of you to manage all of our personal lives for us. Will there be a set list of allowable restaurants, or do we just go by zones or something?

gene -- true...on the other hand, some of us live in urban areas precisely because we can (or should be able to) do those things. and there's nothing like the comfort in being halfway across town and knowing you can get as blitzed as you want and catch a warm dry train home.

yeah, i totally agree with that, gnossos. every neighborhood in the city should be accessible by train. i grew up in the ny area and that just seemed normal to me. so, for that matter, did subways that ran all night long. i'll bet even if we had trains here, they'd close down before the bars did so you might still have to cab it.

Here's what I have to say about light rail vs. monorail:

1) Anyone wonder why there's light rail being built all over the U.S. but monorails being built in Asia and the Middle East and other places around the globe? What do you think they know that we don't?

2) Anyone wonder why any time the government builds an intermediate capacity system it's light rail, but any time private companies build one it's monorail? What do you think Disney and Las Vegas casino owners know about a good use of their own money thay we taxpayers don't?

3) Anyone wonder why the Mayor killed the monorail over its "unworkable" finance plan but presided as Finance Chair over light rail when its finances were messed up and declared we needed to find solutions not kill the project?

Follow the $$$, folks... It's always about who stands to make money.

Your post leaves the bitter aftertaste of college conspiracy theory, mickymse, but I can't help but be intrigued by your questions.

I think the monorail happened in dland because of their value as a tourist attraction and that's it. But you're right about monorails appearing all over the globe in the last ten years. Also, I wonder if Seattle voters would have thought differently about monorail if they were presented with the kind of sleek, nonintrusive design featured in Fnarf's photo. I didn't even know they had a monorail in Sidney, and I was just there in November.

Had the same thought. Gosh, how sleek.

Steel supports and track rail vs concrete.

What a diff.

I propose we build the Zombie Monorail.

The Grey Line would run from Lake View Cemetary to City Hall downtown.

Funding would be provided by property taxes on special taxing districts created around Paul Allen's properties and Greg Nickel's home.

Eventually, we'll need to expand which is why my plan includes the Pink Line, which would run from Deja Vu downtown to the Sands in Crown Hill to Rick's in Lake City. (Map this in Mapquest, it's a good route actually.)

Funding would be provided by lapdances on the monorail cars themselves and increased property taxes in the aforementioned special taxing districts.

Ten miles of titties - Who wouldn't support that?

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