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Thursday, April 20, 2006

The Kids are Alright

Posted by on April 20 at 13:33 PM

On March 30, in the wake of the Capitol Hill murders, Savage and I wrote:

The Stranger has filed a public-records request with the Seattle Police Department to track any history of 911 calls to Seattle’s all-ages venues to see if, as the Seattle Times assumes, there actually are problems with all-ages shows. (The request could not be completed in time for this story.) We asked for a tally of police calls to Ballard’s Paradox, Downtown’s Vera Project, Eastlake’s El CorazĂłn, and SoDo’s Studio Seven (a teen dance club that the Seattle Times originally and—incorrectly—associated with Saturday’s massacre). It is possible that our records request will turn up a pattern of trouble, but it is unlikely, given that in the four years since the TDO was repealed we’ve only been alerted to one problem at one recent show.

My public records request was completed this week, and here’s what it turned up: In the last four years since the TDO was repealed, there have been a grand total of 11 calls for service to the SPD for between the estimated 1,000 and 2,500 all-ages shows that have happened at those venues. I repeat: Only 11 calls for between 1,000 an 2,500 shows.

(The estimate on the number of shows is based on Megan Seling’s all-ages calendar, which consistently tallies anywhere from five to 12 all-ages shows per week at those clubs. Additionally, we checked the dates of the police calls to those clubs and only counted them if the record showed an all-ages show at that time.)


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you should tell people what they were for. I'm pretty sure the only time we ever called the police at Vera was when some dude fell down our stairs by accident and popped his head open.

Ari,
No, no, these 11 calls appear to be legit. They are either about an assault, a person with a weapon, or what's termed a disturbance. Didn't find any calls like that to VERA, though.

I don't care if you find 11 or 1,100. One is all it takes to put my child (or anyone else's!) in harm's way.

I'm sure you certainly would feel differently if *you* had children.

"I don't care if you find 11 or 1,100. One is all it takes to put my child (or anyone else's!) in harm's way."

I am a parent (of a toddler, not yet a teen) but I can tell you that I'm not going to be so concerned that my girl is spending time someplace where a 911 call was once placed. That statement is so ridiculus. Jesus christ, there is NO safe place on earth. "Concerned Parent" should change names to "Supremely Overprotective Parent."

Concerned parents will teach their children how to assess risk and stay out of harm's way. Concerned parents will then let their children take some risks once in a while.

"I don't care if you find 11 or 1,100. One is all it takes to put my child (or anyone else's!) in harm's way."

I am a parent (of a toddler, not yet a teen) but I can tell you that I'm not going to be so concerned that my girl is spending time someplace where a 911 call was once placed. That statement is so ridiculus. Jesus christ, there is NO safe place on earth. "Concerned Parent" should change names to "Supremely Overprotective Parent."

Concerned parents will teach their children how to assess risk and stay out of harm's way. Concerned parents will then let their children take some risks once in a while.

Sorry for the double post...

Wow, what an awesome mentality to have. I hope your children age well in the basement you have them chained up in.

This is Seattle, Jizosh. Few of us have basements.

Eli--it would help if you could compare that stat (which is indeed already apparently a low volume of problem-related calls) with the number of 911 calls to non-all-ages clubs. I think that comparison alone would speak volumes for the lurking "concerned parents" who can't seem to wrap their head around statistics (e.g. shit happens everywhere, but what are the odds of it happening to your child at an all-ages club? pretty damn low, sweets). Even the SPD was quoted in one of your articles about CHAC as saying that the all-ages clubs aren't a problem from their perspective, the regular clubs and bars in town are.

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