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Tuesday, April 25, 2006

Sharkansky’s Faulty Logic

Posted by on April 25 at 12:20 PM

In response to recent pro-transit and -“trip reduction” statements by council member Peter Steinbrueck, right-wing blogger Stefan Sharkansky decided to see if council members, and Steinbrueck in particular, practice what they preach. He made a records request to determine how city council members get to work, whether they use a city-owned garage near City Hall, and how much they use the city’s motor pool on official business. The results are posted here.

According to Sharkansky:

[T]he most prolific automobilist on the Council? It appears to be Peter “trip reduction” Steinbrueck himself [with $1,746.98 in annual city vehicle expenses]. …

If Peter Steinbrueck’s personal goal is “trip reduction”, he can reduce his own trips — move closer to work and eventually buy one of the high-tax downtown highrise condos with limited parking that he thinks other people should live in. In the meantime, he can ride the bus.

Parts of Sharkansky’s argument are sound: If council members are going to proselytize in favor of public transit for others, clearly, they should use transit themselves. However, there are several flaws in Sharkansky’s logic. First, the amount council members spend on transportation is miniscule compared to the mileage logged by other civil servants, like the members of the King County Council, whose personal car and SUV use costs the county many thousands of dollars a year. (For example, Republican Pete von Reichbauer, the county council’s gas-guzzlingest member, was reimbursed more than $8,200 by the county in 2004). City council members’ auto expenditures, which range from $0 (Jean Godden and Richard McIver) to practically $0 (Nick Licata, at $16, and Tom Rasmussen, at $85) to Steinbrueck’s $1,746, are a fraction of their county council counterparts’.

Second, while it’s true that Steinbrueck “reports no use of public transportation for commuting or city business,” , under public records law, he doesn’t have to. (Only half the council responded to this part of the request.) Sharkansky’s records request was for both expense reports and “a reasonable estimate of the various modes of travel you use”; however, only the former is subject to public records law.

Ă…nd finally, council members’ use of a city-owned parking garage is hardly an indictment of city policy. The city charges dearly for the use of its garage—$218 a month for a reserved spot at City Hall, or $190 a month for an unreserved spot up the street, according to council finance manager Eric Ishino.

For people with busy lives and young kids (two of ‘em), even a rabid transit supporter like me will admit that bus commuting isn’t always realistic. (Especially on Seattle’s less-than-stellar bus system: Getting from Steinbrueck’s house in Lake City to City Hall, for example, requires one bus transfer and takes approximately 40 minutes, assuming both buses show up on time; driving, according to Mapquest, takes just 13.) For the record, though, Steinbrueck’s staff says he sometimes takes the bus or walks, especially to appointments downtown. “Trip reduction,” which Steinbrueck supports, means just that: Taking alternative transit when you can, and driving when you must.


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what if Peter was using one of the city's hybrid Toyota Prius cars?

is that worse? or, especially if he carpools with an aide or two, isn't that MORE EFFICIENT than taking the bus?

We have to remember Sharpinsky is one of the deadenders who actually believes Bush's Lies - including the lies about why gas prices went up in WA state (where our oil comes from Alaska and we don't have any of the "reasons" they gave for jacking us).

Listen to him at your peril.


Erica's much better when she's questioning city council members, not serving as their flaks.

Do you think the fact that King County has 25 times the land area of the City of Seattle might have something to do with it?

Seriously, though, I'm not that shocked or upset. On the theory that councilmembers have important business to attend to--a theory that is constantly being tested, to put it mildly--spotting them a car and a parking place isn't outrageous. Waiting for them to show up at government functions via the bus is just ridiculous. No real business would demand the same of its top people.

Where in Lake City do you need two buses to get Downtown? The 522 goes down Lake City Way every half hour and the 306 and 312 are pretty regular during peak hours. Also, you can use the QFC parking lot just North of the City limits as a P&R (I'm not sure if you can legally, but many people do).

QUICK CALL THE PURITY POLICE ON HOW TO GET FROM POiNT A TO POINT B .....

THIS IS TOO MUCH. ERICA, THERE IS REAL NEWS OUT THERE.

PETER MAKES 97,000. A YEAR - EVEN PRICEY GAS WILL NOT IMPEDE HIS CHOSEN MOBILITY.

STANGER THAN STRANGE. AND IF WE ARE ENGAGING WITH THE PURITY POLICE, HAVE THEM DO SEX LIVES, MUCH MORE INTERSTING ON A BLOG.

Jake, lay off the caps lock. No need to be rude.

Well, Peter has always been a bit of a hypocrite.

And paying dearly for parking is real easy when you make $100k.

Why do we pay City Council members that much? They should make the median wage in the city - the better to support all their constituents.

Aargh, typo - or garbled thought: the better to understand / sympathize with / represent all their constituents.

On $100k, maybe the panhandlers should expect some support.

Another episode of Do What We Say But Don't Do What We Do, starring the Seattle City Council (with Erica C Barnett as the Mouthpiece).

Seriously, though, Erica, this is as obvious a case of aristocratic hypocrisy as there is. Shark may have missed the point completely but in doing so, he pointed out something telling.

How can you expect the city to get behind a movement when the city leaders that beg the citizenry to do so... won't do so themselves, under the guise of being 'more important than you'?

Bad, bad form.

For once, I agree fully with Gomez. If I was ecb I'd erase this post and try to forget it ever happened.

"Hey, he's busy! You're not!"

Brilliant.

That said, I'm glad that the council gets paid a salary that an educated and savvy person would want to make. Witness how effective "because they shouldn't care about the money" has been for our public school system.

Council members should ride the bus if it is convenient, just like everyone else. I agree that we shouldn’t hold council members to a different standard. If people live by a bus route they should ride, if not, then it doesn’t make sense.

For paying council members the average salary in Seattle, that is ridiculous. We already have a hard time attracting talented, capable people to public service. You think the people in government are unqualified now, drop the wages and see what happens.

For a position with the amount of responsibility as the city council, a private sector job would pay $150k, and probably have a bonus structure. What do council members get? Constituent complaints about everything that they do.

Cut them a little slack, but if you don’t want to do that, how about finding some better candidates instead of just complaining about what we have.

Having a Councilmember wait for the bus and then have the bus take three times as much time as a car wastes your tax money.

What we need is a transportation system that gets us around town that is faster than a car. Sometimes this is walking, but not often. Even the bus tunnel is often slower than walking because you have to wait for the bus! It's maddening.


Ever notice how Eric/Josh growl and nip at the mayor but purr like a nice kitty about the council members? Is this what they mean about getting too cozy with your sources?

C'mon, Erica, this was a big fat softball and you should take a whack.

Cat got your tongue? Meow!


E/C doesn't want to lose invites to the city council staffer parties.

I think the Shark's on point. Surely Steinbrueck could have bought a home closer to a bus line, if using mass transit was a personal priority. Obviously, it isn't. This is no less hypocritical than drug war proponent Rush Limbaugh's illegal use of prescription painkillers that so elated Blue America.

Does Steinbrueck's transit choice, or Limbaugh's self-medication, affect how potent their message is? Is it public business? That's a separate question.

Generally, I'm the City Council and transportation reporter - Josh covers the mayor. But for the record, Mayor Nickels rides in a chauffered Cadillac SUV; CM Steinbrueck drives a used compact Honda. And I ride a bike.

Erica's got two kids?

Um, does Mapquest take rush hour into account? It takes me at least 13 min to get downtown from the U-dist, and that's in the carpool lane on the express lanes, whizzing past all the parked cars.

Nice try, Erica. Peter still drives, still eschews public transit to spew exhaust in his vehicle, still adds to our heavy traffic and still wastes a parking space and 12-16 gallons of gasoline a week... and then lectures the city on how we need to eschew our cars for public transit.

Hypocrite with a capital H.

This the first time EVER I have agreed(somewhat)with the Shark. The fact that Conlin does without a car most of the time proves it can be done. Peter is clearly a hypocrite to stump for trip reduction without at least making an effort to do so himself.

Yes, I know, councilmembers are very busy and Peter has a wife and kids he needs to see. Sounds like a lot of us. We have two busy jobs and two busy kids and manage to mix transit into our life.

Erica--you are misleading about the County Council. You imply that all councilmembers drive SUV's and log big miles. Ferguson takes the bus and uses the motor pool. Constantine drives a Prius and bills few miles. Not all own SUV's. The county is a big place with less transit than Seattle.

How is asking the question and pointing out the lack of response on using public transportation wrong? Peter brought up trip reduction, he should fess up, public records law or not.

Peter could certainly drive to a park and ride at Northgate or Green Lake and take a very frequent bus in. You just have to make the effort.


That's the problem. Transit shouldn't have to be such an effort for families or anyone else. It should be the easiest form of transportation and in other cities, it often is or is at least comparable.

This remind me of the War debate in congress, wherein no congressperson, or few, have any kids in the militiary.


Or, the old adage that many partents use, and all smart kids resented at age 7 -----do as I day and not as I do.

Hypocrite? --- well at least not an authenitc strong leader.

Erika,

Just to point out, Nickels does not cruise in an SUV, he has a Cadillac DTS which is the Cadillac equivalent to a Town Car; the same car as Sims, Gregoire, and just about every other executive level politician in the country. They get a car and driver for convenience, you want the Mayor to have to try and park or bus for every 5 minute meeting he goes to? Then how much will get done.

Are you suggesting that if Steinbruck could become mayor he would pass on the car and driver? I don’t think so.

If Steinbruck could take the bus to work and then use a city car when he had to do city business outside of downtown, that’s what he should do, just like Ferguson does. (I think the Mayor should bus to the office as well)

Rapid, how is driving to a park and ride, catching a commuter bus downtown and not having to find a parking space and/or pay for it less convenient than driving, sitting in bumper to bumper traffic and then having to find parking?

It's not that driving is easiest, it's just an ingrained habit. My life got much easier (and less expensive) once I stopped owning a car years ago.

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