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Saturday, March 18, 2006

South Park

Posted by on March 18 at 11:04 AM

Remember when the Islamic world was throwing a carefully orchestrated, manipulative, hypocritical fit over those Mohammed cartoons? I wrote then that if Islam wanted to be seen as an all-grown-up-now world religion it would have to learn to put up with being mocked, and that freedom of speech included the freedom to blaspheme—indeed, as those bomb-throwing radicals at the The Economist pointed out…

Freedom of expression, including the freedom to poke fun at religion , is not just a hard-won human right but the defining freedom of liberal societies.

Today it’s Tom Cruise and his touchy, litigious fellow Scientologists who need to grow the fuck up. The creators of South Park produced an episode that made fun of Tom Cruise—Tom hid in Stan’s closet and refused to come out—and the thoroughly ridiculous things that Scientologists believe. Scientologists are free to believe whatever ridiculous crap they want, of course, just as Catholics are free to believe that those wafers turn into the body of Christ, and Mormons are free believe that Joseph Smith wasn’t a fraud, a liar and a sociopath. And other people—religious, non-religious—have a concurrent right to think their religious beliefs, which can not be proved or disproved, are utterly absurd, and a right to say so.

Cruise seems to have successfully prevented the “Trapped in the Closet” South Park episode from being shown in the United Kingdom, and last week he is alleged to have badgered Paramount into yanking a scheduled repeat of that South Park episode.

Paramount may have caved, but not the guys behind South Park.

“So, Scientology, you may have won THIS battle, but the million-year war for earth has just begun!” the “South Park” creators said in a statement Friday in Daily Variety. “Temporarily anozinizing our episode will NOT stop us from keeping Thetans forever trapped in your pitiful man-bodies… You have obstructed us for now, but your feeble bid to save humanity will fail!”

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Dan Savage and The Stranger telling others to grow up?

Pot, kettle.

On another front, in a similar vein:


Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap

Mar 18, 9:24 AM (ET)

By ALAN SCHER ZAGIER

COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP) - A central Missouri high school drama teacher whose spring play was canceled after complaints about tawdry content in one of her previous productions will resign rather than face a possible firing.

"It became too much to not be able to speak my mind or defend my students without fear or retribution," said Fulton High School teacher Wendy DeVore.

DeVore's students were to perform Arthur Miller's "The Crucible," a drama set during the 17th Century Salem witch trials.

But after a handful of Callaway Christian Church members complained about scenes in the fall musical "Grease" that showed teens smoking, drinking and kissing, Superintendent Mark Enderle told DeVore to find a more family-friendly substitute.

DeVore chose Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream," a classic romantic comedy with its own dicey subject matter, including suicide, rape and losing one's virginity.

DeVore, 31, a six-year veteran teacher, said administrators told her that her annual contract might not be renewed.

"Maybe I need to find a school that's a better match," she said.

Both Enderle and the high school principal declined to discuss DeVore's resignation, citing privacy concerns. The resignation must still be approved by the school board.

Publicity over the drama debate, including a front-page story in The New York Times, has cast an unflattering light on Fulton as an intolerant small town, several of DeVore's colleagues said.

"We have become a laughingstock," teacher Paula Fessler told The Fulton Sun.


Hey Dan. there's a great link to the full SP episode on Salon's video dog. I and my husband were watching it and rolling in the aisles while you were writing the post.

One of the best moments: Nicole telling Tom that she and Katie won't think less of him for coming out of the closet.

Hail Xenu!

Hey Dan. there's a great link to the full SP episode on Salon's video dog. I and my husband were watching it and rolling in the aisles while you were writing the post.

One of the best moments: Nicole telling Tom that she and Katie won't think less of him for coming out of the closet.

Hail Xenu!

Yeah, when will the Stranger grow up and develop a... sense of humor? Until we've got, you know, a sense of humor and shit, what right have we to lecture others about it?

right cause comedians and cartoonists are the best judges of whether a 1000 year old religion with hundreds of millions of followers can be described in sweeping terms as "all-grown-up-now."

You took the words right out of my mouth, WF.

Or, hey, maybe it's like this: if you're a 1000 year-old religion with hundreds of millions of followers, perhaps you really should act all grown up now. Let the jokes by cartoonists and comedians roll off your backs and content yourself with the idea that Allah will cast them into hell when they die. Ain't that enough?

Respect for ANY religion - even combatants against the evil Xenu - is earned, not commanded. Islamists, Christianists, Scientologists, take note.

islamists are a political movement that is not in any way representative of the entire muslim faith. when you fail to acknowledge the difference, and dismiss islam out of hand, you are using an intellectual bait-and-switch to fan the flames of intolerance on both sides. you're also participating in middle east politics while pretending to keep your hands clean.

the ethnic chauvanism of clash-of-civilizations culture wars takes two to play. neocons and islamists need each other in order to make historically inaccurate and overly general claims about how the west and non-west are totally different and separate. there's a reason dan's posts keep coming from shit on andrew sullivan's blog. and it doesn't have to do with the fact that the left in the US hates freedom of speech.

You hear so much more ABOUT Muslim moderates Islam than you hear FROM Muslim moderates. And this isn't just a problem with Islam—when we bitch about right-wing Christians, we're reminded about all the moderate, liberal Christians out there, and we're told it's unfair of us to lump them in with their hate-spewing, crypto-fascist co-religionists. It would be easier to avoid doing that if liberal Chrisitians, like moderate Muslims, were much, much more vocal.

As for Sullivan: I read him, and I link. But the South Park stuff is everywhere, not just on Sullivan.

I'll happily dismiss these ENTIRE religions 'out-of-hand.' Islam and Christianity, in particular, have been and continue to be repressive, imperialist theologies, determined to foist their beliefs on the world. They both seek to overtly convert. They are both content to interject and 'participate' in MY politics, while 'pretending to keep their hands clean." Many secularists in the West hold freedom of expression to be as sacred as the most pious muslim, christian, or jew. It would be so much easier to afford these angry, desert god beliefs a modicum of respect if they would only practice what they so righteously demand of others. The only 'bait and switch' here is of a spiritual nature - monotheists cooing peace, love and tolerance out of one corner of their mouths, while damning apostates out of the other. Spare us another sermon about chauvanism and tolerance; that's a knife which cuts both ways.

well....I don't really care too much about all this crap about this religion or that religion 'growing up' so to speak.....it sort of implies that there is some damn one of them out there in this world that IS grown up and I say to that show me.....seriously.....but really - I take exception to the notion that reaction to these cartoons from the muslim/arab world is orchestrated and coordinated and all that.....as if to say they are all in on it together - like a conspiracy - or, like gay people who quickly and efficiently all work together hand in hand to achieve their desired aims together......over this issue or that issue or whatever....

see - you prob dont like it when I suggest, like I just did, that this group or that group (gays or arabs or white people etc) are all working together - in on it - over some agenda they have....whatever it is.....

the point being that yes Virginia its a good idea to see where you are really coming from....ie to generalize in such a sloppy and overblown way is ridiculous and has nothing to do with reality....

if you wanna be more shrewd and see what is really out there - only read headlines from major sources....dont watch tv....whats going on will become more clear as you learn to read between the lines....its something we all have to do if we dont wanna wake up in a concentration camp here....

All religions try to limit speach. Jews don't want us to see the Rachel Corrie Play or The Academy Award nominated Palestinian film, Muslims don't want us to see cartoons of their prophet, and Tom Cruise doesn't want us to watch South Park.


Why doesn't The Stranger do a pro Palestinian Mohammed, pictured in a Scientology Cartoon making fun of the Holocaust on the Cover?


Now that would be freedom of speech.

There's also a couple links to the South Park episode here, for those without access to Video Dog.

The reason you don't hear so much from moderate anything is because only fanatical nutjobs shriek their heads off at perceived slights. The "normal" believers just shrug it off and go about their business.

"Jews don't want us to see the Rachel Corrie Play"

'Scuse me Yawn, hate to interrupt your generalization-fest but as a Jew I hereby grant you my permission to see the Rachel Corrie play.

Generalizations about fanatic religions are always dangerous.

Not all Scientologists care about lame South Park, not all Jews care about that stupid Rachel Corrie Play, and not all Muslims care about those dumb cartoons.


There's a few nut jobs in every kooky religion trying to censor the media. Sometimes they get their way sometimes they don't.


Most of us really don't care either way about a cartoon or a play. It's just not that important.

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