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You broke the tag. SLOG is messed up. FIX THE SLOG, for the love of god FIX THE SLOG.

who broke Slog?

cienna broke the blog
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Can't breathe need... air someone.... someone fix Slog...

Cienna's massive fan club turns on her. Film at 11!

what happened?

Sweet relief. Thank god.

Ahura - Cienna left out or misplaced a closing blockquote tag when she added this item, which caused all the items below it be included within it -- a bizarre and terrifying meta scenario that had the entire greater Seattle area in a panic -- forced to read slog items compressed into a slightly-narrower-than-usual format. Fortunately the tag has been put back, and order has been restored to our fair city. Put away your pitchforks and torches, people, and move along.

dear cienna (and everyone who's as concerned as you)-

what would you have her say? that the guy that is a sure bet to be nominated to interior is a complete douchebag? what would that accomplish? anything? please, enlighten me with your superior political instincts on this one.

cantwell has very little to gain by pissing off the northwest congressional delegation (or eastern wa voters who may sympathize with some of dirk's positions). while i dislike the kempthorne nomination as much as anyone else (btw, does this surprise people? hardly.), the only points she will be winning is with the folks that seem to think voting against her and filling her seat with mike mcgavick will somehow accomplish something.

guess what?

it won't.

cantwell has a pretty darn good record in this political climate. she helped defeat assaults on anwr, she has a good environmental record, yes, she has made some funny votes (war anyone?), but i'd take those over anything slade gorton would have done, and definitely anything that mr. mcgavick will do.

this is politics people. you live to vote another day. hopefully when you can win. that's what cantwell's doing. please, cienna, think a little before you write.

dear cienna (and everyone who's as concerned as you)-

what would you have her say? that the guy that is a sure bet to be nominated to interior is a complete douchebag? what would that accomplish? anything? please, enlighten me with your superior political instincts on this one.

cantwell has very little to gain by pissing off the northwest congressional delegation (or eastern wa voters who may sympathize with some of dirk's positions). while i dislike the kempthorne nomination as much as anyone else (btw, does this surprise people? hardly.), the only points she will be winning is with the folks that seem to think voting against her and filling her seat with mike mcgavick will somehow accomplish something.

guess what?

it won't.

cantwell has a pretty darn good record in this political climate. she helped defeat assaults on anwr, she has a good environmental record, yes, she has made some funny votes (war anyone?), but i'd take those over anything slade gorton would have done, and definitely anything that mr. mcgavick will do.

this is politics people. you live to vote another day. hopefully when you can win. that's what cantwell's doing. please, cienna, think a little before you write.

dear cienna (and everyone who's as concerned as you)-

what would you have her say? that the guy that is a sure bet to be nominated to interior is a complete douchebag? what would that accomplish? anything? please, enlighten me with your superior political instincts on this one.

cantwell has very little to gain by pissing off the northwest congressional delegation (or eastern wa voters who may sympathize with some of dirk's positions). while i dislike the kempthorne nomination as much as anyone else (btw, does this surprise people? hardly.), the only points she will be winning is with the folks that seem to think voting against her and filling her seat with mike mcgavick will somehow accomplish something.

guess what?

it won't.

cantwell has a pretty darn good record in this political climate. she helped defeat assaults on anwr, she has a good environmental record, yes, she has made some funny votes (war anyone?), but i'd take those over anything slade gorton would have done, and definitely anything that mr. mcgavick will do.

this is politics people. you live to vote another day. hopefully when you can win. that's what cantwell's doing. please, cienna, think a little before you write.

dear cienna (and everyone who's as concerned as you)-

what would you have her say? that the guy that is a sure bet to be nominated to interior is a complete douchebag? what would that accomplish? anything? please, enlighten me with your superior political instincts on this one.

cantwell has very little to gain by pissing off the northwest congressional delegation (or eastern wa voters who may sympathize with some of dirk's positions). while i dislike the kempthorne nomination as much as anyone else (btw, does this surprise people? hardly.), the only points she will be winning is with the folks that seem to think voting against her and filling her seat with mike mcgavick will somehow accomplish something.

guess what?

it won't.

cantwell has a pretty darn good record in this political climate. she helped defeat assaults on anwr, she has a good environmental record, yes, she has made some funny votes (war anyone?), but i'd take those over anything slade gorton would have done, and definitely anything that mr. mcgavick will do.

this is politics people. you live to vote another day. hopefully when you can win. that's what cantwell's doing. please, cienna, think a little before you write.

Whoa dude, a QUAD burn.

Is Is Cienna a neophyte? a neophyte?

Posting your message four times certainly helps get your point across.

I agree that Cantwell's enviro record overall is good. But Kempthorne's hasn't; his record-best score from the League of Conservation Voters -- not a lefty-loon group, or even the Sierra Club; the LCV has lots of sportsmen members who hunt and fish) is ONE. Out of a hundred.

Why Cantwell felt motivated to speak at all is a mystery; most people had barely sorted out the spelling of his name when she popped out with her great endorsement. But seriously -- what she should have said is "This is the time for the President to move past accusations of partisan hackery and incompetence and nominate someone with a solid understanding of how US lands policy affects the environment and the West; sadly he has not done so, and has nominated yet another party hack with a questionable financial record and an abysmal environmental record. I stood against drilling in ANWAR, and I'm standing against this nominee". That's what she should have said. It wouldn't cost her any votes, because the eastern Washington folks who wish they lived in Idaho anyways aren't going to vote for her if she started shitting gold coins in their hands.

I second Fnarf, except I'd have Maria substitute "douchetard asshat" for "party hack." Her "Welcome" is an inexplicable move for someone with a background in PR.

In politics, you never call people douchetard asshats. You let them demonstrate it for themselves.

Hey Neophyte,

It's way past time for Democrat politicians to STOP playing the soft squishy line, and gutless vanilla-flavored voters like you to CEASE making excuses for them when they do.
It accomplishes NOTHING for our interests.
Kempthorne still needs to be confirmed. I suppose he can count on Miss Looks Good In Bathing Suit 2004's vote.

On a happier note, I think she's fucking him.

true. i forgot that voting against cantwell this year will accomplish a whole lot for our interests. so then, what will? providing fuel for the fire of a lefty opponent to her? sounds like a stellar plan.

in the meantime, folks, realize that the kempthorne nomination is a done deal. there's really no debate on that matter. yes, it might make sense for her to have stayed silent, but she may as well want to please both eastern washington voters (who actually may trade gold coins for a senator who is willing to actually listen to their concerns) as well as the pnw congressional block. it's often nice to work together sometimes.
yes, you all are right. i'm that vanilla voter that really just wants mcgavick to walk away a winner. even if cantwell had badmouthed dirk, can someone tell me what that would have done? would that have changed the discourse on natural resource policy issues in this administration? maybe, just maybe, it would have pissed off a key gop vote that supported her in the anwr (btw, there aren't two a's in anwr, fnarf) debate. could it be that she needs to build up some capital with her colleagues across the isle? hmmm. shades of gray to ponder within the otherwise black and white world of the slog.
think about it.

I think the point of the slog post, Neophyte, was not so much to vote republican because Cantwell's sliding across the isle on her own fluids, but to hold her to the standards that got her the votes in the first place. Sometimes that means some angry calls.

And honey, there are two a's in Alaskan Artic National Wildlife Refuge.

You owe FNARF an apology.

Then, you can shut up.

dear katy-

lest we get trivial, honey:
http://www.anwr.org/ (yes, this is the opposition's very own website)
could you tell me where that other "a" is? no apologies necessary.

again, i encourage you to again read many of the posts through this thread (and in cienna's previous one), which include references to never voting for cantwell again. sorry, but that means a better chance for mcgavick.

so, katy, would you like to talk about the substantive issues that i brought up or not?

gawd, i feel so juvenile debating this line-by-line! maybe it is time to resort to calling people names ("shut up", what a zinger!).

happy weekend.

Katy: "there are two a's in Alaskan Artic National Wildlife Refuge"

Er, no, there's only the one. ANRW. But there ARE two cees in "Arctic". I'm sure that's what you meant, dear. It's OK, I spelled it wrong too.

Normally I agree totally with the position expressed here by CIAN?, and I still agree that McGavick must not be allowed to win, but in this instance I'm pissed off at Cantwell's seemingly retarded stance on Kempthorne -- a stance that I don't think is going to help her where she needs help.

maybe instead of ANWR, katy was thinking about that great town near the WA coast called artic (yes, actually missing the "c"). just south of the other major metropolis of cosmopolis, check it out sometime. :)

anywho, i understand your sentiment, FNARF, but i encourage y'all to think about some of the other ramifications in dealing with the razor-thin politics that cantwell's dealing with. for example, today the WAPO has an article on the new push to get Dem defectors onboard ANWR drilling by linking it to Gulf Coast oil production. good stuff.

again, i'm not necessarily trying to act as the great apologist for everything cantwell has done, but not voting for her (or making a huge scene out of it) doesn't help either.

as i said before, guys: shades of gray. i don't like it, but that's life.

For the record, I didn't say ANWR had to 'a's...I said there were two a's in Alaskan Arctic National Wildlife Refuge...and, yes, I left the 'c' out of Arctic.
They call it a 'typo' but I think my reference was, or should have been clear.

And I think we've allowed our DEMS to compromise and play gentle with the other side of the isle for too long. I never said, nor did Cienna's original slog post indicate, that this meant voting republican.
What it clearly means is being more assertive and forcing our representatives to be more assertive. Or you can kiss ANWR goodbye. And that is just the start. Or maybe just the big distraction. Look at what is happening all over the west on public lands with oil and gas exploration. This is no time for the Great Compromise on natural resource policy issues.

And, Cienna is 22. Neophyte? Probably. What were you at that age?
I'm done. This is, indeed, beating a dead horse.