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Friday, February 10, 2006

Mike Fancher Vs. the Dave Ross Show

Posted by on February 10 at 6:15 AM

I was on the Dave Ross show on Thursday afternoon talking about our decision to reprint four of the Muhammad cartoons.

First I explained our reasons for running the images.

1) We’re a newspaper. It’s a huge news story, and the cartoons are the central part of the story. (It’d be condescending to protect our readers from that central piece of the story)

For example, every paper in the world republishes the president of Iran’s arguments that the Holocaust is a “myth.” That’s offensive to Jews, but everyone publishes his comments—and they should!—because it’s the heart of that story. (Yes, those stories also include other world leaders’ condemnations of his offensive POV, but the stories never actually haul out the massive objective evidence to set him straight.)

2) Our story came out in favor of freedom of speech, and so it seemed obvious that we should exercise our right to freedom of speech, even if it makes some people uncomfortable.

3) In the context of the current debate, the cartoons have taken on a larger meaning than simply being offensive drawings. They are now symbols of free speech.

Then I asked Ross why the Seattle Times wasn’t on the show defending its position NOT to run the cartoons. That seemed to me, like the more relevant question.

Well, about ten minutes later, Seattle Times executive editor Mike Fancher phoned in to defend his paper’s position. Ross gave him about 5 minutes, and then he turned the microphone back to me. (Gotta say: Ross didn’t seem to be buying Fancher’s postion.)

I’d like to find an audio clip of the show so Slog readers could check out the exchange, but I can’t find one on KIRO’s web site.

KIRO tech staff, are you out there? How do I link to the broadcast?



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You were a guest on the show--ask the producer for an air check. He should be more than happy to get you one.

The four cartoons in The Stranger were tame and probably could've gone into Fairview Fanny without most of the readership - well, the non-Islamic ones - going into cardiac arrest. What happened to the one we've read about, where Muhammad is coming out of heaven (or whatever it is called in that faith) to stop deceased suicide bombers (and such), telling them, "We have no more virgins"? Now, that one would just not fit in with the Seattle Times famously tight-assed editorial policy.
Michael Fancher is a fraud; that paper is always editorializing in its news pieces, just by dint of what it leaves in, takes out and how things are arranged (what is the lead, etc.). It is what they call in communications 200 being a "gatekeeper."
A friend of mine, who was the editor of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer in the mid-1970s, once said, "The Seattle Times shows that a lot of people, working together really hard, can (still) create a really mediocre paper."
I hope you get a copy of that conversation and print it verbatim in The Stranger. Keep the faith.

I'm proud of you Stranger, You got more backbone than most of the media in the world and represent what democracy is all about.Do not apoligize be vigilant in this situation. I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade. What i do not like is how we have to be sensitive to Islam. Might as well be sensitive to the Mein Kompf and the Third Reich. Heres the Truth .Why arent we sensitive to what Muslims have done to Hindus in Pakistan and what they are doing to the rest of the world after that example.Here it is My Opinion--sorry if I offend anyone.please dont hurt me. IM TIRED OF THE TERROISTS BEING CALLED INSURGENTS.LOOK IT UP IN THE DICTIONARY.THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT INSURGENTS THEY ARE ZOMBIES.LOOK THAT UP TOO.THEY ARE SOULESS FASCIST CREATURES WHO HAVE ONLY ONE THING ON THERE MIND .... IN contrast to the movie zombies WANTING TO EAT US THEY WANT US TO BE ISLAMISIZED.TOTAL BRAINWASH.LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID TO PAKISTAN THE HINDU BHUDDIST STATE IT USED TO BE IS NO LONGER .ISLAM HAS RAPED AND TORTURED HUMANS FOR YEARS.IM SURE THERE ARE GOOD ONES OUT THERE BUT I DONT BUY INTO IT THAT ITS A PEACEFUL RELIGION AND I AM SICK OF PEOPLE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.IT IS WHAT I SEE IT IS.THROW A BIBLE ON THE GROUND AT LEAST THE CHRISTIANS AND CATHOLICS WILL SAY "GOD FORGIVES YOU,JESUS LOVES YOU AND WILL SIMPLYU LEAVE YOU ALONE."ISLAMICS SEE THERE KORAN THROWN ON THE GROUND AND THEY WANT YOUR LIFE.THEY GO TO WAR.SO YOU TELL ME WHATS PEACEFUL.LIKE I SAID SOMEONE NEEDS TO CASE THE HISTORY OF THE PAKISTAN PAST AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO THAT COUNTRY.NO WONDER INDIA BATTLES PAKISTAN ON ITS BORDERS.THEY ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE ZOMBIE ISLAM OUT OF THERE COUNTRY.ITS ISLAMIC FANATICS THAT ATTACKS BHUDISTS AND HINDUS. THE EXREMIST ISLAM FASCISTS START IT.THE HINDUS HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO PRESERVE THERE PEACE AND THEIR MINDS AND FIGHT BACK. WHERES THE COVERAGE OF WHAT ISLAM IS DOING TO HINDUS IN BANGLEDESH. THE MED ARE COWARDS. THIS WORLD WILL NOT STAND FOR IT.SO SEE IT FOR YOURSELF PEOPLE ITS THE DAWN OF THE DEAD OR RESIDENT EVIL BUT IN REAL LIFE. THIS TIME ITS A RELIGION THAT WANTS YOUR SOUL, YOUR BELIEFS TO END AND ITS WORSE THAN ANY WE'VE EVER SEEN TO DATE. IT WAS MUSLIMS THAT RAIDED AFRICAN VILLAGES AND LOOK WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO AFRICANS SOVERIEGNTY IN RWANDA

I've seen Mallard Fillmore cartoons that were worse.

The cartoons themselves would have had the shelf life of a Devoricks sketch except for the fire-bombings about them.

Democracy Now did a piece on yesterday's show with some editor from Cheyenne WY who scooped you by a day.

If fundamentalist Christians started burning art museums because of Mapplethorp, I don't think a news article about the violence would be complete without the images.

IT WAS MUSLIMS THAT RAIDED AFRICAN VILLAGES AND LOOK WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO AFRICANS SOVERIEGNTY IN RWANDA "ZOMBIES MOVIES PARADOXICLY HAVE BECOME REALITY" AND FOR YOU LIBERALS MY WIFE, MY SISTER AND MY MOM WERE AND I STILL LOVE THEM. BUT SAVAGE NATION RULZ.

Wow, so this stance has gotten you some great new fans. Excellent.

Seriously, I think you did the right thing, but I wish it didn't translate to total nutjobs singing your praises in all caps.

Nothing says rational discussion like all caps.

Where was the Seattle outcry and public apology to Bhuddists and Hindus when the Muslims in Afghanistan destroyed an ancient statue of Bhudda.They destroy eastern and western effigies and we have to bow down to their Regime.I think not.Wake up Seattle.This Islam is not Kind Its a new Mein Kampf a new third reich and instead of Brown Shirts they where Veils and Turbons and even got their Kids doing the mohammed goosestep. Soon they will burn the worlds Libraries instead of Flags. You all wanted Anarchy, you got it. Just because You believe North Africans, Southeast Asians and even Europeans are for Islam doesn't mean they got that way without Fear and intimidation and rape. Wake up and Look into whos causing panic and pain in Africa.Its Muslims intimidating tribes and using money to enslave others. Until muslims speek out against attrocities committed by supporters of their religion in a public Newspaper and known to the world will i give an inch to the likes of their prophet. I am not afraid to speak out my opinion nor should anyone in this country.I thank Allah for America.

What is it with right-wing loons and germanic-style noun capitalization? Some kinky Hitlerian code?

I find it funny that the right-wing ignores or makes funs of liberals decrying all sorts of bad things going on in the world (ie: the Taliban tearing down the Buddhist statues, poverty, racism, etc) until the acts in question become relevant to their lives. At which point they start screaming "I don't remember you complaining about it back then."

Maybe if you tried paying attention from time to time, fuckwit, you would.

Come on, even Egypt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia condemned the destruction of the statues. You obviously weren't that concerned at the time or you would remember.

"THROW A BIBLE ON THE GROUND AT LEAST THE CHRISTIANS AND CATHOLICS WILL SAY "GOD FORGIVES YOU,JESUS LOVES YOU AND WILL SIMPLYU LEAVE YOU ALONE."

Ummm, what? What about in Bosnia where the Serbs made meatloaf out of whole villages of Muslims. Very forgiving kind Christians, those Serbs. Ugh, why am i even arguing with this lunatic.

"The Muslims"? Really? All of them? A big Borg-like mass organism controlled by Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein from their secret palace inside the sunken city of Atlantis? Really?

And it was Americans going to defend Muslims in Bosnia But the Un Stayed our hand to do anything to stop serb attrocities.cant put down the Un with liberal media can you now.They didnt do anything to stop muslims intimidation and killing of native tribes in Kenya and other parts of Africa--- and of the savage and cruel dismemberment of Nepalese bhuddists locals in Nepal.I saw a Nepalese bhuddist believers throat half slit in the name of Allah and 6 of his buddies shot in varius parts of there bodies(it wasn't a quik death for them thats for sure) while he gagged and tried to scream and noone in your seattle or the world noticed. Your fucus is on only your view of world events given by a liberal press that didn't like americans involved in third world affairs.But get upset when something happens to their favorite area of interest.It seems like people on the right and left in this country pick only hotspots and situations they care about like a playoff team in the NFL.you pick the winners without knowing the players. Where were the Seattle news and CNN and Scools talking about these attrocities in the third world mostly at the hands of arrogant muslim men and boys who who cry and get outraged pathetically about a cartoon of their god and not of the attrocities world wide committed in the name of Allah.I guess you will be careing on to busy drinking Lattes in the city and protesting Christians and catholics as the new Crusades,and Bush administration the big bad Nazis in our politics and lives. Its all about oil no one cares about the people and blah blah blah.Well take away Bush,The War effort of America and for that matter the world--what are you going to do to stop the muslims from starving Africa,what are you going to do to stop Muslims kmakeing children kill children in South Asia, what are you going to do but hand out fliers about the Fascists you hate that are trying to stop the fascists i hate from taking over the world. Its a Lose Lose situation you say well I'm not giving up.I fought 15 years in the army for my country and I'm not as a civilian now going to see this country destroyed from within as most thirdworld nations have been destroyed sociallyand politically more so by muslims than any Roman or Nazi in the Last two centuries. And speaking of which Check your history people.Nazis running around in tanks in North Africa in WW2 were aided by Islamic people to carry on about their business without anyone batting an eye.And an Iranian official present day saying the Holicaust was nonexistent and a Farce. Coincidence? So whos your Nazi Fascist prototagnists now. Freedom or Jihad.what do you want? You all make the choice.I for one am not being decieved by self professed history professors or by the media.Regardless if their Republican or Democrat. And if you dont believe the horrors of the Jihad look up and see the video killings on SavageNation.com.since it might be a little graphic you will see the propencity why i am upset at people angry over a Koran being pissed on and a political cartoon than the savge beheadings and torture at the hands of islamo terroists.Thats why i'm fuming. I will say it.I hate ignorance.but i guess Seattle doens't discuss politics and religion and history fervently does it.It like the world to you is a sitcom or something. Well off my soap box for now again.Hope you all learn something and i hope this stirs up debate wherevr. Good . The Bhuddist Nepalese men who were Killed vicuisly by muslims could use the attention in their name. Amida Bhudda.

koo koo, koo ko

Right-wing loons never seem to grasp the concept of the "paragraph" either. It's like their just vomiting their thoughts onto their computer without thinking about any kind of structure.

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note to The Stranger: I know you guys are all about the free speech but can't you yank P. The guy is a dud.

This isn't a forum—no one is required to sign in—so we can't "yank" anybody.

We could delete his posts, but they do have some merit as entertainment. Also, the posts slamming him would no longer make sense.

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